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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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chris thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies

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excellent yeah thanks ryan happy to be

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here definitely

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yeah i'm excited man i mean i know

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you're sort of new to the whole

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ufo uh discourse and conversation and

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you just dove right in man i know your

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first videos that came out about the now

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famous navy ufo uh videos and incidents

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just really took off i mean it was crazy

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how viral those went and i think uh i

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think people were excited to finally see

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another

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fighter pilot coming forward to

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to sort of back these other people up

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and say look these were not conventional

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things we saw out there there's probably

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a hundred different explanations to what

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it could be but we'll we'll we'll kind

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of get into that in a little bit um but

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i do have to ask you know

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that for my listeners viewers who may

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not be too familiar with who you are and

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um how you sort of came on the scene

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here in our little ufo community um

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what what first got you interested in

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becoming

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a fighter pilot how did that hole um i

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guess string of events turn out yeah i

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did it was interesting i um

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most fighter pilots actually

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they it was kind of their dream you know

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uh and my roommate the air force academy

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it was his dream actually to go to pilot

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training to be a fighter pilot and then

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his eyes you know he couldn't because of

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up changing the last minute actually so

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if they really need pilots they will

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the requirements actually can get bigger

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but actually uh i went to the air force

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academy uh

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you know i i wasn't really uh that

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i really just wanted discipline actually

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i wanted more discipline i wanted an

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exciting life i didn't just want the

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kind of lifestyle that i grew up in you

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know i i just did not want that uh and

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it seemed like an exciting uh exciting

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opportunity you know i applied i didn't

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really think i would get in actually um

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it's very difficult to get in

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and i was surprised they let me in so

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it's this amazing opportunity you can't

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when i was there

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they tell you the whole time they're

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just quit man just quit you can quit any

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time you know just go ahead quit you

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it's and apparently that's exactly what

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if you tell me that i do exactly the

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opposite you know i don't know

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it's like a reflex i can't even

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i can't stop it so anyway so i i made it

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through i did really enjoy it but it was

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extremely difficult you know every day i

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then i would say [\h__\h] you know like

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literally this was like four years of

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this man so it was

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it was tough you know but it does it

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molds you you know it really like

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so i went to the air force academy and

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uh you have a pilot slot so that's the

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benefit of going to the to the academy

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or i had some friends who just went to a

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normal college and then after they did

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their normal college experience they

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applied it's called ots officer training

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actually i have a good a good friend

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noonan uh he actually was a

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he was a photography major man i should

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talk to him about this optic stuff

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i need to talk to ryan get him i'm gonna

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get him on the show

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he's super smart amazingly smart uh but

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he was a yeah he had a photography

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degree and he went into the recruiters

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fighter pilot they're like i'm sorry you

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the guy's like no i'm sorry you can't do

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so he did he'd made it happen and so

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hard uh to get there and i i don't know

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video games and also it wasn't really my

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my dream and i think that gave me an

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as much it really makes it a lot easier

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professional sports team you know it's a

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lot of pressure and you know you have to

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um and so at that level it all a lot of

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it just comes down to your training your

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preparation and then how you can

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so i think that just helped me get into

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flight and um anything you can share

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is that right like a lot of the other

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you're you're alone right

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like a swiss army knife you know master

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yeah but it's true everything does come

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maintainer makes a mistake it can be

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um what what's that first

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forget it had to be in korea

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balad it was in iraq so we deployed to

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and we show up in balad you know we're

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ballast the main air base a giant air

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base right north of um baghdad it's like

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uh a giant base so we flew in with our

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squadron we're replacing our sister

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squadron so you do like five-month tours

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your whole squadron goes there um you

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mo getting there is uh kind of like a

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mission in its own you know packing

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uh making sure all your equipment's

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correct you know all the crazy

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bureaucracy i mean we had to bring so

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much crap there like bags of warm

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weather gear i remember like i had to

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thick wool socks you know just stuff you

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would never use i mean it's just

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uh so anyway we get there and i thought

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i would have two days to study you know

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we were supposed to have ground time

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uh two days just to uh kind of learn the

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ops you know i read it before but uh did

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i study enough probably not um so i was

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like i'll have time when i get there you

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uh i get like a quick nap in we land at

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like midnight or whatever and i i'm just

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at the chow hall you know learning hey

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where do we go here's the food and i and

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i see my buddy uh bonsai i was actually

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in pilot training with him bonsai

281
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watkins

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and he's like hey otis my call sign was

283
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otis actually uh as a fighter pilot

284
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he's like hey otis um can you can you

285
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sit alert with me you know tonight and i

286
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was like tonight wow

287
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he's like yeah you know if if you can

288
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sit because you're new then that gives

289
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uh

290
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the guy we were we had scheduled now he

291
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can fly a jet out tomorrow or something

292
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to help them

293
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uh get their jets back to italy you know

294
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it's also difficult to move all that

295
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stuff you know it's just moving that

296
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much equipment jets always break

297
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so i was like wow banzai you know i

298
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don't you know i don't really know the

299
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opposite well he's an amazing pilot by

300
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the way excellent right now he's the

301
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commander of um

302
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in luke air force base he should be a

303
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general

304
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um yeah

305
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hopefully he's a four-star

306
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um great dude um he's so i'm like yeah

307
00:10:22,550 --> 00:10:21,120
you know i can fly with you because he's

308
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like dude i know it i know everything

309
00:10:25,350 --> 00:10:24,000
you know i can just tell you alert you

310
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just sit there right most of the time

311
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you don't launch on alert you know he

312
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even told me that he's like dude

313
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nobody's launched an alert in the last

314
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two months you know it's been super

315
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quiet like okay that sounds good you can

316
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just tell me everything you know and

317
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plus if they already asked me it means

318
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everything was already kind of approved

319
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through the higher ups anyway so

320
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it's basically an order uh so i was like

321
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sure sounds good you know

322
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so i go back try to rest it up a bit and

323
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then

324
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we get there and we get there early

325
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we get into the squadron early it's a

326
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night sortie

327
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so we're sitting you start at midnight

328
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right and then you sit for 12 hours so

329
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you sit until lunch and most of the time

330
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you're just sitting there all in your

331
00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:01,360
gear you know in this ready room and

332
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you're just watching tv or studying

333
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um there's a bed in there and then they

334
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you know you get a call and it'll be

335
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like you know it's either go go go and

336
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you run out the jets are all ready you

337
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jump in flip on the switch and go you

338
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know

339
00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:14,560
i never even launched like that before

340
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actually on a full up alert

341
00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:18,640
so we we go in we show up early he's

342
00:11:21,990 --> 00:11:19,680
like we'll show up early and i'll show

343
00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:22,000
you how to do it and we're like

344
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focusing our mvgs you know focusing on

345
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energies he's like here's you know

346
00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:26,480
here's how you get a gun you know i

347
00:11:29,990 --> 00:11:27,920
never gotten a gun before i was like oh

348
00:11:31,509 --> 00:11:30,000
this is you know cool i clear it in the

349
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in the thing i put it on and then the

350
00:11:35,990 --> 00:11:33,600
squatter commander runs in he's like go

351
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go go and i was like what you know i

352
00:11:39,509 --> 00:11:37,920
look over bonsai like no we're he's not

353
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talking to us you know

354
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so we like run out there we run out to

355
00:11:44,630 --> 00:11:43,200
the jets you know he's i'm like where

356
00:11:47,269 --> 00:11:44,640
are the jets you know he's like go over

357
00:11:51,269 --> 00:11:49,269
i jump in yeah

358
00:11:53,590 --> 00:11:51,279
is this too long i'm sorry man not at

359
00:11:56,389 --> 00:11:53,600
all dude no that's so this is this is

360
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like because when i uh all i know and i

361
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think a lot of us in the civilian world

362
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know is what we've seen in like jerry

363
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brookheimer films or like top gun or

364
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whatever and like that's how it is like

365
00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:07,519
yeah go go go go you're up there you

366
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never see the training aspects it's just

367
00:12:13,509 --> 00:12:11,920
like these guys were born to fly and

368
00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:13,519
fight and that was it but there's so

369
00:12:18,069 --> 00:12:16,079
much to it so i love hearing like it's

370
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not perfect not everything goes the way

371
00:12:22,629 --> 00:12:20,800
you think it's gonna go so no please i

372
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love hearing this story

373
00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:24,160
yeah it's usually the opposite actually

374
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things go differently uh and that's

375
00:12:28,550 --> 00:12:27,040
what's very good about having people

376
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there right we're super adaptable you

377
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know you can talk about autonomous

378
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machines but you know people we can

379
00:12:34,389 --> 00:12:32,720
adapt

380
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super trainable yeah so anyway we get

381
00:12:37,110 --> 00:12:36,000
out to the flight line it's dark you

382
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know

383
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i run out there it's a real world uh uh

384
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mission

385
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so i've run and jump in the jet

386
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you know i'm starting to get my stuff

387
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together just try to make sure your

388
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calm's all connected my helmet's on um

389
00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:50,880
and then i see his jet i haven't even

390
00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:52,399
turned on my jet you know and he's like

391
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i see his jet taxi you know i'm like

392
00:12:57,269 --> 00:12:56,079
holy [\h__\h]

393
00:12:58,870 --> 00:12:57,279
oh my god

394
00:13:00,310 --> 00:12:58,880
hurry up man so that's where you just

395
00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:00,320
like talk to yourself you try and get

396
00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:02,000
yourself on task like what do i need to

397
00:13:05,350 --> 00:13:03,760
do like focus you get back into your

398
00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:05,360
training mindset and then just try and

399
00:13:08,069 --> 00:13:06,880
go as fast as you can without screwing

400
00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:08,079
screwing things up make sure your

401
00:13:10,470 --> 00:13:09,600
switches the important switches are

402
00:13:12,389 --> 00:13:10,480
really

403
00:13:13,829 --> 00:13:12,399
uh getting but but then i see him

404
00:13:15,110 --> 00:13:13,839
launching right and i had no idea where

405
00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:15,120
to go and i really wanted to be on the

406
00:13:18,629 --> 00:13:17,120
mission you know i want my first mission

407
00:13:20,949 --> 00:13:18,639
in combat just be this failure you know

408
00:13:23,430 --> 00:13:20,959
i'm left on the tarmac

409
00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:23,440
so i end up just launching right i i

410
00:13:28,310 --> 00:13:26,160
push it forward i'm like chief i'm out

411
00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:28,320
uh line up on the runway i see him he's

412
00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:30,480
like after burner you know little tiny

413
00:13:34,069 --> 00:13:32,320
afterburner spot just like

414
00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:34,079
leaving i was like [\h__\h] you know so

415
00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:36,160
afterburner halfway down the runway i

416
00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:37,920
realized like i'm not even strapped in

417
00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:39,680
like i didn't strap into anything like

418
00:13:41,990 --> 00:13:40,800
uh

419
00:13:44,629 --> 00:13:42,000
yeah it was

420
00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:44,639
that was pretty bad actually um

421
00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:46,240
yeah so i'm not shifting to anything

422
00:13:49,350 --> 00:13:48,399
notice uh i'm like just sitting on this

423
00:13:50,389 --> 00:13:49,360
fighter

424
00:13:52,949 --> 00:13:50,399
uh

425
00:13:55,189 --> 00:13:52,959
and he's playing playing yeah

426
00:13:58,389 --> 00:13:55,199
i mean you're just so much in the

427
00:13:59,590 --> 00:13:58,399
uh in the moment yeah i get it it would

428
00:14:01,189 --> 00:13:59,600
be like jumping in your race car and

429
00:14:02,710 --> 00:14:01,199
just slamming it you know like just

430
00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:02,720
going and then you're strapping on while

431
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:04,800
you're while you're going or whatever

432
00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:05,839
uh so

433
00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:07,360
so i basically

434
00:14:12,069 --> 00:14:10,240
it's a um combat departure as well yeah

435
00:14:14,069 --> 00:14:12,079
there's so many things combat departures

436
00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:14,079
so what you do is there's there could be

437
00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:15,279
people around with heat heat-seeking

438
00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:16,880
missiles right just waiting off the end

439
00:14:21,269 --> 00:14:19,120
or just rifles okay long rifles would be

440
00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:21,279
very very effective actually um so

441
00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:23,199
basically you just um you get going

442
00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:25,120
really fast like 450 knots by the end of

443
00:14:28,230 --> 00:14:26,240
the runway and then you just push

444
00:14:31,430 --> 00:14:28,240
straight up right and then you

445
00:14:33,110 --> 00:14:31,440
you fly above them um it's called a

446
00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:33,120
combat departure

447
00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:34,720
so he did that right so then i have to

448
00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:36,320
go it's like night it's a little bit

449
00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:38,000
less because it's at night but basically

450
00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:40,000
i do i do uh end up

451
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:41,360
catching them and as long as you're

452
00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:43,199
under 1g right if you if you fly the

453
00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:44,560
plane right actually you don't need a

454
00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:46,160
seat belt you won't fall in uh out of

455
00:14:50,629 --> 00:14:48,880
your out of your seat or anything um so

456
00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:50,639
i basically get strapped in you know we

457
00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:51,680
finally

458
00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:54,240
uh he finds the house in baghdad you

459
00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:55,920
know we finally get our stuff together

460
00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:57,279
and then um

461
00:14:59,910 --> 00:14:58,639
he's like do you see this house you know

462
00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:59,920
down there and i'm like yeah yeah i see

463
00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:01,040
it you know and they're like okay that

464
00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:03,040
that's it and then we pick up a convoy

465
00:15:07,350 --> 00:15:04,959
uh they're in humvees you know and we

466
00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:07,360
find those guys and so he's tracking the

467
00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:09,040
uh the convoy in and coordinate with

468
00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:10,480
them checking in with them letting them

469
00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:13,040
know all of our all of our information

470
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:14,480
and i'm just like searching around the

471
00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:16,560
house you know and

472
00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:17,839
it seems there's always like a mosque

473
00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:19,760
nearby so i have to have to watch the

474
00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:22,800
mosque uh and look for

475
00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:24,000
any activity or something there was

476
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:26,639
nothing there was no activity um

477
00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:28,639
and then uh you know humvees drive up

478
00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:29,519
there

479
00:15:33,189 --> 00:15:31,759
i'm looking around somewhere else and

480
00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:33,199
everybody just starts shooting at each

481
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:36,480
other i guess i didn't even see it um

482
00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:38,320
and so i'm just flying around they jump

483
00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:40,560
in they you know go up to the top

484
00:15:43,749 --> 00:15:42,160
they secure the building

485
00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:43,759
and then they just book it out of there

486
00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:45,920
you know as fast as they can go so

487
00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:48,079
i actually lose them as as were as we're

488
00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:50,399
following them out along the city

489
00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:52,079
uh i kind of felt bad because i had

490
00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:53,600
actually lost them

491
00:15:56,629 --> 00:15:55,040
you know it's just hadn't done that

492
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:56,639
practice before i hadn't tried

493
00:16:02,069 --> 00:15:59,759
to track uh you know a car or a humvee

494
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:02,079
in a city going like as fast as they can

495
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:03,759
go you know i have just haven't

496
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:05,759
haven't done that before so

497
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:07,120
yeah it was full up man it was awesome

498
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:09,040
it's great that's the first story in my

499
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:10,880
book actually that i haven't released i

500
00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:12,320
keep mentioning it probably just to make

501
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:14,399
myself release the book

502
00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:17,120
uh yeah but yeah so that's it wow well

503
00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:18,880
thank you for sharing that again

504
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:21,759
sorry i i never i would i never expect

505
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:23,680
anyone to you know

506
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,680
share the grisly details of a lot of the

507
00:16:30,389 --> 00:16:27,600
things that you guys experience and

508
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:30,399
stuff but um it's i i like to get in the

509
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:32,320
head of you know

510
00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:34,079
what goes on during one of these things

511
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:35,680
to sort of frame

512
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:36,880
in why

513
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:39,279
it would be so out of the ordinary for

514
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,839
what we're going to talk about uh in

515
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:43,440
real world

516
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,600
experiences when one of these uaps show

517
00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:47,120
up and you're like wow there's a whole

518
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:49,040
other level to this mission that i was

519
00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:52,000
not expecting um so i guess kind of

520
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:53,839
moving on from there chris and i know

521
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:56,639
you you had 18 years of flying is that

522
00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:57,920
correct

523
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:00,320
yeah so the first two years were uh

524
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:02,480
training waiting to fly and you know

525
00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:03,839
waiting for the pilot slot and then

526
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:06,799
flying yeah wow that's incredible um

527
00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:10,160
well okay i gotta ask as a ufo guy i

528
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:12,400
know um you've sort of spoken on other

529
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,039
shows about this um have did you ever

530
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:17,120
see anything while you were up there or

531
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:19,439
anyone on your missions nothing like

532
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:20,240
that

533
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:21,120
nothing

534
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:23,280
i mean never hurt never

535
00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:26,319
i i mean i would look more now for sure

536
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:28,799
um yeah there was probably like you know

537
00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:30,640
ufos just following me around you know

538
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:32,320
who knows

539
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:33,919
right you are looking around a lot

540
00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:35,760
though you know you are looking outside

541
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:37,360
but you know a lot of the systems are

542
00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:39,679
inside so you are looking inside a lot

543
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:40,960
too

544
00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:42,640
yeah i just never was looking for it

545
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:45,360
never heard about it nothing until

546
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,880
until this year

547
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:48,240
yeah because we we always hear these

548
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:49,919
rumors of like

549
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,640
there was there's a training manual in

550
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:54,480
the air force where what do you do when

551
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:57,039
you you spot a ufo how do you you know

552
00:18:01,590 --> 00:17:59,440
how do you go about that and i think i

553
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:01,600
remember you saying no that we never

554
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:03,600
came across anything like that and yeah

555
00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:06,320
that's the cold hard reality about it

556
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,160
never heard of it yeah nothing i mean

557
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,559
there was no mention of ufos or anything

558
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,320
the only thing in my whole career that

559
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:14,400
ever happened that i thought oh that's

560
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,360
kind of weird

561
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:17,280
is when i was at the air force academy i

562
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:18,160
had an

563
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,840
amazing instructor uh in chemistry

564
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:23,200
and i don't know he was a lieutenant

565
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:24,720
girl at the time

566
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:27,120
so he said this was in 1998 we were

567
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:28,480
talking about roswell or something and

568
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:30,799
he's like he said uh uh it was just

569
00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:32,480
humans it was humans

570
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:34,000
i don't know interesting yeah that was

571
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:36,720
the only thing i was like what no i knew

572
00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:38,400
nothing about robin or anything but i

573
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:40,840
remember him saying that for some reason

574
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:43,200
um but how would he know you know it was

575
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:44,160
still like

576
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:45,120
yeah

577
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:50,720
totally no i totally get it i mean again

578
00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:52,880
you guys you're not there to look for

579
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:57,039
ufos that's not your job no exactly

580
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,080
muscled their way in somehow um well

581
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,160
let's talk about how you started the

582
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:04,320
youtube channel i mean i know it didn't

583
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,360
it wasn't just ufos but um

584
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:09,760
all of a sudden boom you put out that

585
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,200
first ufo video and it went pretty viral

586
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:16,000
um in terms of youtube so what got you

587
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:19,200
to start talking about ufos

588
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:22,160
so i'm i basically uh so when i retired

589
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:24,000
i was looking for something interesting

590
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:26,160
to do you know something meaningful and

591
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:27,520
i want to i can't just sit at home all

592
00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:29,760
day playing video games and make my kids

593
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,600
go to school you know it just feels

594
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:33,200
like a dirt bag

595
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:35,039
i really wanted to still do something um

596
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:36,480
but i also want to spend time with my

597
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:37,679
kids so i didn't want to go and like

598
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:40,080
start some company right away and be

599
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:41,440
gone all the time so this seemed like

600
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,799
just a great

601
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,320
opportunity i wrote you know i wrote the

602
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,400
book i did the first first uh draft of

603
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:48,000
the book um

604
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,679
and then in november i made the youtube

605
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:51,200
channel and it was really i've told it

606
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:52,400
sort of before but

607
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,760
my kids you know

608
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,919
i have three kids and they all watch

609
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,600
youtube obviously all the time and you

610
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:59,440
know i watch with i love youtube you

611
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:00,559
know

612
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:04,000
i have amazing role models i think based

613
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:05,919
on youtube changed my life

614
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:07,840
and so when i talk to my kids they're

615
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:09,039
like yeah i want to be i want to be

616
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,559
youtuber when i grow up you know i was

617
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,559
like youtuber really i mean it's

618
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:14,240
i mean that's that's cool and all but

619
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:15,440
you could do that right now you know

620
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:17,440
just go and start making videos you know

621
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:18,880
i'll help you make videos

622
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:21,360
uh and and then they're like

623
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,720
why don't you do it then dad i was like

624
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,720
fine you know um actually i wasn't fine

625
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,640
they talk so much trash like

626
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,320
my you know i have a girl she's she's

627
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:30,480
nine and gosh she's just a trash talker

628
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,520
you know

629
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:33,440
so uh and they know how to poke me too

630
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:36,240
you know so yeah

631
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,559
yeah they're like

632
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,000
charlie i'm like fine you know i'll do

633
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:42,480
it uh and i'd already i'd already

634
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:46,080
written books in 2015 i wrote a fitness

635
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:48,320
book called stay on target and then i in

636
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,120
2017 i wrote a uh finance book for

637
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,799
military

638
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:54,159
so i'd already kind of gotten over the

639
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,440
initial terrifying publication

640
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,200
issue you know it and it is terrifying

641
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,880
like everybody talks trash about these

642
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,240
people writing books you know they're

643
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,159
always like oh they should uh they just

644
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:05,840
want they just want to you know sell

645
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:09,039
their book or whatever um and

646
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,640
it's just so funny like no one who's

647
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,159
ever actually written a book and tried

648
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:13,919
to sell one says that i promise you you

649
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:16,400
know it is so hard i've i've written two

650
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:19,360
books and i can't tell you like the

651
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:20,240
the

652
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,440
profit margin is not what he said

653
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:25,280
it's zero man

654
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,559
there's like five people out there

655
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,080
making millions of dollars off books you

656
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:30,000
know and and that's it yeah so there's

657
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:31,520
no

658
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,799
book to make money or or if you are i

659
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,799
think you're you're in the wrong field

660
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,480
um or you're going about it the wrong

661
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,320
way

662
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,480
yeah so yeah so i'd already got note but

663
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,640
it's it's terrifying so you know right

664
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:47,840
what kind of books did you write i'm

665
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:49,919
just curious yeah of course of course um

666
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:52,640
naturally i wrote two books about ufos

667
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,280
um just i traveled the country met with

668
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,200
people you know former military

669
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,080
civilians and their experiences and it

670
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,679
was my first time really putting my

671
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,600
voice out there as a

672
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,000
um you know a what would you even call

673
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:07,760
it a voice of

674
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:10,720
the ufo topic and i was terrified i yeah

675
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,919
i hadn't i'd been into the topic i'd

676
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:15,600
talked about it i've written articles

677
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,880
but that was the first time i really

678
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,200
said okay i'm putting my name out there

679
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,440
i'm i'm these people have trusted me

680
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,799
with their stories

681
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,799
let's do this and like you said it's it

682
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,799
is it's scary it's like putting yourself

683
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,360
out to the world unlike ever before so

684
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,360
yeah i can relate for sure

685
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,280
yeah and it doesn't matter

686
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:35,120
you know the more successful you are the

687
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,159
more

688
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,280
get you know so

689
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,360
but you just have to get used to it um

690
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:43,200
it's still tough you know every youtuber

691
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,720
you see has some video where they're

692
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:46,320
just complaining about the trolls and

693
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:47,440
the haters

694
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,320
uh

695
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,799
but whatever it's part of the game and

696
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,880
for me actually it helps me keep me

697
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,280
keeps me down to earth you know because

698
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:57,280
i you know i did really well after in

699
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,799
pilot training i was like number one of

700
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,799
the i was distinguished graduate uh i

701
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,720
was very good i'm very good at uh my you

702
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,039
know my hands uh

703
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,120
learning something new i'm very good at

704
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,120
it but then you have the guys that are

705
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,360
just so dedicated so motivated and they

706
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:14,000
just every day man they just work work

707
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,520
work you know they're in there on sat on

708
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,520
sundays saturdays

709
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,520
they just live for it and

710
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,880
you're just not gonna you're not gonna

711
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,960
beat those guys you know if they just

712
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,159
have to have a base if they can have

713
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,799
some basic level uh of talent which they

714
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,200
obviously did um then they were they

715
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,280
could pass me and they did you know so i

716
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,200
didn't just buckle down and maybe that's

717
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,799
because it wasn't my life dream you know

718
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:35,600
maybe

719
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,600
but um so

720
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,400
when did the idea for the first ufo

721
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,880
video come about that you put yeah i

722
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,720
would imagine you like a lot of us who

723
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,720
saw those videos you were like

724
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:50,640
whoa and we were all amazed but then

725
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,120
here you are a pilot um who's actually

726
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,760
been in these people's kind of shoes in

727
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,919
some ways um yeah what what made you do

728
00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:00,159
the first ufo video

729
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,440
yeah actually it didn't happen right

730
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,240
away because they i saw him first uh at

731
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,159
the end of

732
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:07,919
uh 2020

733
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:11,039
so in in november i saw i saw i saw the

734
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,480
videos

735
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,039
and i and it blew my mind actually you

736
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,760
know i i listened to lex friedman and

737
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:20,000
fravor i listened to that podcast i

738
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:21,279
stayed up till like 2 30 in the morning

739
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,240
you know i just listened to it straight

740
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,720
through i was like holy [\h__\h] you know

741
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,159
i told my parents i'm like hey there's

742
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,720
aliens you know and they're all like uh

743
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,240
they're like excuse me

744
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,720
um you know my wife's like yeah i knew

745
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:34,320
you know it's like what

746
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:35,200
uh

747
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,919
yeah [\h__\h] it hurts yeah

748
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,760
but i didn't do anything right it's kind

749
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,360
of one of those things i and so i

750
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,840
totally can see that well why people can

751
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:46,000
just kind of avoid this is you just

752
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,279
don't want to you just don't want to

753
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:49,039
believe it you know

754
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,480
your normal day doesn't change your

755
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,559
normal life doesn't change it

756
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,640
a weeks go by months go by everything's

757
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,159
the same you know you look up a little

758
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,240
bit more i'm like no you know don't see

759
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,799
any crazy balls or ufos flying around so

760
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,320
then you just kind of you know maybe

761
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,960
maybe it's not real or something

762
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:06,720
maybe i didn't just see those videos

763
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:07,600
that i

764
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,880
were blatantly obviously clear to me um

765
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,240
like

766
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,559
uh yeah and then it came out the 60

767
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,720
minutes just pushed over the top

768
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,799
okay so that was it for you yeah and

769
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,240
then i was like

770
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,159
you know i can't just keep

771
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,679
i don't know imagine this isn't real or

772
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,880
something

773
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,559
it was just in my face and and i so i

774
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:29,200
made a video uh of those three and that

775
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,640
actually that didn't go viral so my

776
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:32,480
first video of ufos didn't really go

777
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,440
viral

778
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,880
but somebody picked it up i think chris

779
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,559
mellon uh

780
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,200
or corbell if somebody and shared it

781
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,520
uh because i i was on mcquest so really

782
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,360
i i had a buddy here he's he's a he's a

783
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,919
british guy super smart amazing surfer

784
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,600
and and i was talking about the ufo

785
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,120
stuff and he's like oh man that i heard

786
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,799
that was all debunked i was like what

787
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,720
you know like d monk i just saw it last

788
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,720
night man no it's not it's pretty legit

789
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,240
and he's like no this guy mick west on

790
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,159
there you know he's got all these videos

791
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,000
and yeah he says it's debunked he had a

792
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,679
pretty pretty convincing argument i was

793
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,000
like really convincing like okay i'm

794
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,919
curious what he said you know yeah so i

795
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:08,159
went home i searched uh mick west and i

796
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,840
was just like just got madder and madder

797
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,679
and i was like angry and angry

798
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,360
as i see all these just video after

799
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:15,360
video um

800
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,320
because it's just so obvious to me or

801
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,760
probably any pilots that seen it

802
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,520
especially like um

803
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,640
the gimbal

804
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,200
that one just looks so

805
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,880
and especially when it's turning you

806
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,720
know because i

807
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,400
that really made a difference the reason

808
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,760
i made that whole argument about it

809
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,279
turning is because i

810
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,799
if you just imagine you're sitting there

811
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,400
right like imagine you have a shotgun or

812
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,799
something and you're you're gonna shoot

813
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,559
um you know they do the pull thing you

814
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,919
know they're like pull you know and then

815
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,159
you track along and you shoot right

816
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,840
um that's what's going on essentially

817
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,000
with the gimbal right so essentially

818
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,320
you're tracking it right as it's moving

819
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,640
does it make sense yeah yeah

820
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,720
so if i'm tracking these this gimbal

821
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,559
object which even maybe looks like one

822
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:57,760
of those targets right one of the

823
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,400
shotgun targets uh if i'm tracking it

824
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,159
right and it's turning like this and i

825
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,679
have to do this this amount it's called

826
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:05,360
line of sight we call line of sight in

827
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,640
the fighter world right how much you're

828
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,080
actually moving

829
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,600
or the plane is moving across your

830
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,679
canopy is called line of sight

831
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,600
so that's a rapid line of sight okay so

832
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,120
rapid line of sight means i have to i

833
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,960
have to aim like this all right i have

834
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,799
to aim well out in front of it

835
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,600
um

836
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,520
so if it's like 50 miles away man that

837
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:23,600
thing's going you know how fast could it

838
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,559
be going like mach 10 20. yeah it just

839
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,919
doesn't make sense you know if you're

840
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,679
just just think about if you're

841
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:32,080
a shotgun shell so go out two miles now

842
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,440
if you're tracking something the same

843
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,679
speed two miles right

844
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,279
i mean it

845
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:39,120
so when i saw that initially it was just

846
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,960
so blatantly obvious to me that

847
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,799
uh and the the go fast one is equally

848
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,240
blatantly obvious right they keep saying

849
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,000
it's this trash bag or something flying

850
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,320
around at mid-altitude but for all of

851
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,760
that to happen right that thing would

852
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,520
literally have to be exactly at the

853
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,279
parallax in between

854
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:55,120
in between the planet

855
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,480
i don't know i get so much negative

856
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:57,760
comments i'm gonna have to go and

857
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,880
finally just redo the go fast

858
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,399
but that one's equally obvious so

859
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,919
basically it's just like

860
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,600
if you walked out of your house right

861
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,600
and you saw a literal like the gimbal

862
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,840
object just flying along the street i'm

863
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,520
sorry if you saw the gimbal object just

864
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,760
flying along the street and rotating and

865
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,200
going down the street

866
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,799
right and videoed it with your with your

867
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,399
iphone okay

868
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,320
um that's and then somebody and then

869
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,679
mick west comes along he's like that's a

870
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,679
duck you know that's that's basically

871
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,679
what what he's telling me um because

872
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,039
i've just stared at those things for so

873
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,200
many years um

874
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,919
right it's just uh yeah it's clear it's

875
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,000
it looks clear to me

876
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,640
yeah i do want to ask you the omaha

877
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,039
video i know you did uh a youtube video

878
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:40,799
about that one and that one

879
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:43,360
that jeremy corbell and um george knapp

880
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,559
released was

881
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,039
pretty interesting and i know

882
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:49,440
you know mick west had a pretty

883
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,399
um

884
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,399
quick answer it's clearly some sort of

885
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,559
balloon or or something like that a lot

886
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,720
of the skeptics said that but um what

887
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,120
did you think of the omaha video what

888
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,880
sort of did you walk away thinking about

889
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:02,880
that one this object that

890
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:06,960
uh presumably went from air to water and

891
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,919
um is what we are now considering

892
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,240
trans-medium travel i mean yeah what do

893
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,480
you make of the whole omaha video

894
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,760
yeah

895
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,440
that one was also equally mind-blowing

896
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,840
you know um

897
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,760
yeah his art i haven't even listened to

898
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,760
his arguments on that uh there is one

899
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,039
there's like a flashlight he says

900
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,880
there's like if you put a light

901
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,559
you know behind a flashlight and then

902
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,640
put it down it goes it goes away but you

903
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,200
can clearly see there's water

904
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,080
above the object um

905
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:38,159
so i think it was amazing especially at

906
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,600
the beginning right that the beginning

907
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,720
part

908
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,799
where it's it's tracking

909
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,080
you know it just looks like that little

910
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,559
ball like from work and mindy yeah and

911
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,399
then it's just it's tracking across the

912
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:50,799
it's moving across the the ocean right

913
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,000
above it's it's flying like that

914
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:55,760
just nothing moves like that you know we

915
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,720
have nothing that can do that um

916
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,559
i don't know it's just so it's so weird

917
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,320
the speed of it what's even interesting

918
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,360
too like

919
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,919
kevin day like he mentioned that what

920
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:07,440
really kind of cued him off on the tic

921
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,480
tacs was they're up at 28 000 feet right

922
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,200
but they're going 100 knots

923
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,799
and and that's very interesting because

924
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,279
at 100 000 sorry 28 000 feet you have

925
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:19,840
much much less air okay so an f-16 i

926
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,200
couldn't go 100 knots at uh 20 000 feet

927
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,039
you know i'd fall out of the sky because

928
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,799
i just can't produce enough lift over

929
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,320
the wings there's just not enough air we

930
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,080
have we have tiny wings right maybe the

931
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:32,720
maybe like an f-15 or an f-18 can maybe

932
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,679
go 100 knots at 28 000 feet but they'd

933
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:37,520
be in like afterburner like this you

934
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,399
know

935
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,559
um because there's just not enough air

936
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:42,559
going over the wings

937
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:43,840
so the fact that they were just even

938
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:46,640
going at 20 100 knots at 28 000 feet is

939
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,080
just so weird you know it's just uh

940
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,520
stuff doesn't move like that so that

941
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,840
that initial omaha when it's moving

942
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,200
across and you can see it's moving

943
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:57,039
because it's tracking you can check the

944
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,080
tracking

945
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,480
um basically off the angles uh that the

946
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,760
camera's moving right so we know the

947
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,840
camera's

948
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,120
moving um so

949
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,279
so i i noticed nick west didn't make any

950
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,960
he didn't make any videos about that

951
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,640
first part of the video right he didn't

952
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:12,320
make any video and this is kind of what

953
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:13,279
he

954
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,159
right because his argument on this thing

955
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,159
just going down and being a light uh

956
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,440
that doesn't work for the first part of

957
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:27,120
the video right so the first part of the

958
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,159
video

959
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:29,679
so how do you describe this light that

960
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,480
just that tracks across uh

961
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,399
that tracks across like that

962
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,480
is that how fast is it going right

963
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,919
because now you get into this the same

964
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,279
issue i brought up with the gimbal right

965
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,519
because now if i'm tracking something

966
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,200
right and it and it goes

967
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,120
you know if you go if it goes an inch

968
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,039
right but it's it's a hundred miles away

969
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,799
that that it's going really fast right

970
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,320
but it's very gross

971
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,919
so he gets into issues where he gets in

972
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,840
these tracking issues so

973
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,519
that's why i released this this last

974
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:57,600
video uh or two video how to get a

975
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,200
better uap ufo video yeah yeah would you

976
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,120
mind maybe diving into that a little bit

977
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,440
i love that like it's a 101 on how to

978
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,360
because i can't tell you man how many

979
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,360
videos i get sent on

980
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,159
weekly basis or photos and i'm like i

981
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,399
wish you'd like zoomed out so we had

982
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,000
some scale of

983
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,679
you know how high up it was how big it

984
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,840
might have been and look i get it i've

985
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,399
i've i've been studying ufos my whole

986
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:24,880
life basically since i was 13 and i've

987
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:27,120
taken some videos and they're horrible

988
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,399
so even i

989
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,240
am like in the moment being like i gotta

990
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,159
zoom in as much as i can try to get the

991
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,640
detail of this thing but yeah what what

992
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,200
what was the video what would you

993
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,080
suggest people do to take like a proper

994
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,559
ufo video yeah i mean

995
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,240
one of the things is just get make it

996
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,399
longer you know make as long as more

997
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,159
context

998
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:50,159
don't edit you know don't break it you

999
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,760
know if you can put your face in there

1000
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:54,000
too great you know because

1001
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,679
i look at these videos online you know

1002
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:57,440
i'm on strange activities he has awesome

1003
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,080
videos or whoever it is uh great youtube

1004
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,919
channel and

1005
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,080
awesome ufo videos but they're like a

1006
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,399
minute or two long there's no context

1007
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,640
there's no location um

1008
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,440
or maybe sometimes there's location um

1009
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,440
so i yeah i released that nigel nigel

1010
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,200
benton he was a subscriber he wrote me

1011
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,279
it was like hey chris i have this uh you

1012
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,200
know i have a video actually from 2006

1013
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,039
what should i do with it uh and i was

1014
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,200
like post it to youtube

1015
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,960
um i think that's the best way to do it

1016
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,399
because there's no storage issues right

1017
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,840
i think maybe maybe they're short

1018
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,159
because two minutes is video files are

1019
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,840
really big or something so maybe maybe

1020
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,919
they don't want to get it's hard to move

1021
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,519
those around but you can just upload it

1022
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,279
right to youtube

1023
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,440
um i think this is

1024
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:41,039
i think people are really missing the

1025
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,640
missing the boat on this i think this is

1026
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,159
really important actually i don't think

1027
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,159
they realize how much how much data you

1028
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,080
we could break this thing wide open

1029
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,159
really wide open all we need is just one

1030
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,600
event just one we get like 30 different

1031
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,600
camera angles and boom it's over you

1032
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,640
know i mean what are they going to say

1033
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,679
like

1034
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,120
okay yeah that video is fake what about

1035
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:00,799
that one and that one and that one and

1036
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:04,159
everybody's selfie in themselves yay you

1037
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,919
know like i'm here we'll go talk to him

1038
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,760
you know and

1039
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,159
uh so but really i think um

1040
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,159
longer more context and then you kind of

1041
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,040
mentioned it uh a time stamp okay so

1042
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,599
some way to time stamp it and

1043
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,679
from like you know whatever pow training

1044
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,119
or whatever anything you can get into

1045
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,040
the

1046
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:25,440
like if i film this right 1641 you know

1047
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,480
right then

1048
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,720
right that is yeah i'm stamped with the

1049
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,679
date uh and that's hard to see gi right

1050
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,679
or film a newspaper you know like the

1051
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,960
yeah

1052
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,359
so getting context into the video i

1053
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,879
think is important the length is

1054
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,399
important and then if we can get the

1055
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,320
time and the general location

1056
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,720
uh and you mentioned it like getting uh

1057
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:46,000
landmarks

1058
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,040
you know so if you can get like a

1059
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:49,280
landmark in there um

1060
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,399
that that

1061
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,159
uh

1062
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,240
anchors it to the ground there we go

1063
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,919
out of the flying world so if you get a

1064
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,320
landmark in the video and a time stamp

1065
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,480
and make it long with context

1066
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:02,240
man we get we get 30 of those from the

1067
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,359
same event

1068
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,599
and this i i guarantee we will bust this

1069
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,440
wide open like seriously like no i don't

1070
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,200
think people understand this and it was

1071
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,800
my lowest performing videos i was very

1072
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,720
surprised like wow because people don't

1073
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,280
get it but yeah yeah well and i think

1074
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:18,000
you know i think what's frustrating

1075
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,359
chris is uh

1076
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,280
with these videos that we've been

1077
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:23,599
debating for the past few years now tic

1078
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,320
tac go fast gimbal is because they are

1079
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,280
so short and because uh some of the navy

1080
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,280
personnel have even said

1081
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,000
why i saw a much clearer much longer

1082
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,040
version of that video um and that's i

1083
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,960
think where

1084
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,599
the issue lies with someone like mick

1085
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,599
west and and you having different

1086
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,040
thoughts on this

1087
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:47,680
of course you both have very viable

1088
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,880
um you know observations about it but we

1089
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,560
don't have the full picture we don't

1090
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,040
have the full data and we don't even

1091
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:57,760
know if if the navy did if how many

1092
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,880
sensors picked up these i mean i

1093
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,640
gary voorhees one of the gentlemen that

1094
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:05,280
was on i believe the princeton uh has

1095
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,320
said

1096
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,160
it's so frustrating we're seeing this

1097
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,320
one video shot by chad underwood of the

1098
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,720
tic tac he's like i know there were

1099
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,200
other there had to be other eyes on that

1100
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:18,079
other videos this that this that um so i

1101
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,440
think that's where the the true

1102
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,760
frustration lies is we don't have the

1103
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,079
full context we can't really truly

1104
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,520
understand what we're looking at or

1105
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,920
dealing with because we don't know we

1106
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:29,839
don't have the full video we don't see

1107
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,560
it

1108
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,280
taking off or you know the most we get

1109
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,440
it with the gimbal is it rotating and

1110
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,520
then the video cuts short or the tic tac

1111
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,760
shoots off video cut shirt like yeah but

1112
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:41,280
what happened after that that's what's

1113
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,880
most frustrating

1114
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,240
and this and the and the other big

1115
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,320
problem is the single source

1116
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,160
yeah you know single source i was

1117
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,760
thinking of like a good analogy you know

1118
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,079
and i was thinking of gallagher remember

1119
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,640
gallagher the giant oh my gosh yeah yeah

1120
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:56,320
and and i even make it funny or make it

1121
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,680
like mc west you know he's like giant

1122
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:01,440
so imagine that like

1123
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,560
one rope over his leg you know nick west

1124
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,320
gallagher is like laying down one rope

1125
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:08,880
over his like arm you know that's like

1126
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,839
one video right yeah um

1127
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,000
that's just not enough it's not enough

1128
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,760
you know because one video can be faked

1129
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:17,040
it can be

1130
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:21,680
whatever they're talking about so i

1131
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:24,960
imagine like 30 ropes going over you

1132
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,520
know this is an imaginary nick west just

1133
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,599
the argument right so yeah he can he can

1134
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,280
you know make up something to be like

1135
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,960
think you know that was easy you know

1136
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:35,200
it's a glare right even though you show

1137
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,240
a million different ways it can't be

1138
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,920
clear he's like yeah

1139
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,680
but now you get 30 ropes over a man you

1140
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,599
can't move um yeah

1141
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,160
and and that is maybe from science maybe

1142
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,440
anyone with a scientific background

1143
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:47,119
knows it's about evidence it you need

1144
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,640
data and

1145
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,480
data is in

1146
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,560
mass we need we need more data and we

1147
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,480
need it accurate and and that's really

1148
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:56,320
what we don't have right now in length

1149
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,760
of time so length of video gives you

1150
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,800
more data

1151
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,800
you know more videos more people gives

1152
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,880
you more data any when you get context

1153
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,640
in the video where you are

1154
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,400
what day it is what time

1155
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,480
if you can move around okay like so

1156
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:10,640
there's a cia handbook or martin

1157
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,119
holtmann he found it um

1158
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,200
step one of the cia book to take a

1159
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:17,920
picture of ufos it's just pictures uh

1160
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:20,800
they said to uh focus to infinity

1161
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,680
um

1162
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,920
so yeah to focus to infinity and we did

1163
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,520
that with our night vision goggles we

1164
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,359
would focus to infinity so you can just

1165
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,520
focus on a star actually

1166
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,160
and that would get you to infinity is

1167
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,240
what when we cheated right if i forgot

1168
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,599
or something got knocked around or my

1169
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:37,680
focus was slightly out uh i would just

1170
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:41,040
tune it on onto a star okay um so that's

1171
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,480
infinity so i guess

1172
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,240
everything else being equal just tune to

1173
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:46,960
a star if you can and then

1174
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,760
lock your uh focus and then point it at

1175
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,599
the ufo you know

1176
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,200
that all that stuff would take training

1177
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,520
uh and then the final thing it says was

1178
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,119
if it's close to you

1179
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,359
uh then you you should move to take

1180
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,920
different angles so greater it says 40

1181
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,320
to 60 feet is enough

1182
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,079
but it's if it's further away like a

1183
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:08,079
mile or more they said then it doesn't

1184
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,680
really help you to move those little

1185
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,839
short distances the best thing is to get

1186
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:14,320
in your car and drive half mile or more

1187
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,200
and then

1188
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,680
start filming or photographing again

1189
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,960
yeah and then upload it straight to

1190
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,880
youtube man upload it straight you know

1191
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,359
there's no there's nothing in between me

1192
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:25,040
or this maybe there is an algorithm

1193
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,640
right um

1194
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,880
but if everybody uploads

1195
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:31,520
at the same time now

1196
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,800
what are you going to do it's tough to

1197
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,640
keep that information right now all of

1198
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:36,560
it's it's open source

1199
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,839
so i think this really would bust it

1200
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,119
open and you look at these events where

1201
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,960
these ufos are just sitting there right

1202
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:42,240
for like they'll be like it was there

1203
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,440
five ten minutes i'm like five ten

1204
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:45,359
minutes you know like

1205
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,640
i don't know where's the video of that

1206
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,480
yeah i'm ready i think you just you need

1207
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:50,000
to be ready it's just like anything else

1208
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,359
um

1209
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,800
yeah you know you gotta be ready for the

1210
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:54,320
heimlich right you always gotta be ready

1211
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,599
to hide like somebody i think that's

1212
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,960
just a natural

1213
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,560
natural thing and you got to be ready to

1214
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,400
take a ufo picture

1215
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,119
or video i love that comparison always

1216
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,599
be prepared if the boy scouts taught me

1217
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:06,640
anything

1218
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,280
well i guess going back a little bit um

1219
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:11,760
with the tic tac i'd love to ask you two

1220
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,560
specific questions um we heard

1221
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,560
with chad underwood the pilot who filmed

1222
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:19,359
the tic tac that there was possible

1223
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,119
jamming of radar during that event um

1224
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,680
so as in air force pilot i love to get

1225
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,119
your perspective

1226
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:29,520
on that idea of

1227
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,599
what would it take for something to be

1228
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,119
able to jam

1229
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,240
your radar on the on your aircraft i

1230
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,560
mean if that's true that's extremely

1231
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,720
troubling that it's able to do that or

1232
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,720
is that more common than i

1233
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,359
naively think that something else would

1234
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,440
be able to jam your your instruments on

1235
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,920
your own aircraft yeah how much power

1236
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,000
did the tic tac have to

1237
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,240
power my question yeah

1238
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:56,960
yeah how much technology

1239
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,800
i i mean so at that time well 2007 i

1240
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,880
became uh an aggressor

1241
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:04,720
so it actually was my specialty actually

1242
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,520
was

1243
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,400
um

1244
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,960
analyzing foreign adversary electronic

1245
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:10,880
attack systems

1246
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,720
uh so that was in 2007 it was a the best

1247
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,880
my almost i maybe i shouldn't say my

1248
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,480
favorite job in the air force but i i

1249
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,079
guess the one i identify with the most

1250
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,560
you know if they were going to say what

1251
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,079
what do you think you are i'd say i'm an

1252
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,160
aggressor you know i trained our

1253
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,640
uh i analyzed the enemy i analyzed their

1254
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,440
systems and then we replicated the enemy

1255
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:34,079
uh to train our blue forces right so

1256
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,800
that

1257
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,800
the better your your enemy is in

1258
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,319
training the better you're going to be

1259
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,160
in in real combat

1260
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,800
so yeah i i really enjoyed it and i and

1261
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,720
i threw myself into it

1262
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,640
i loved all the beeps and squeaks i love

1263
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,800
all the nerdiness of it i went into

1264
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:50,000
nasik

1265
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,880
it was

1266
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,160
you know the biggest building i've ever

1267
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,920
seen with no windows

1268
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,480
went to cia traveled all around went to

1269
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,880
this cool air show in dubai so

1270
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,960
did a lot of amazing stuff and at that

1271
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,319
time there was nothing that can jam out

1272
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:04,880
the side um

1273
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,160
in 2007 wow yeah okay yeah that i knew

1274
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,400
about right um

1275
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,240
yeah because just the technology you had

1276
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,319
is uh the little radome technology you

1277
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:17,040
know so we didn't have aces

1278
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,359
at that point at least not on our enemy

1279
00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:20,960
jammers that i knew about

1280
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:21,270
um

1281
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,480
[Music]

1282
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:24,160
and so normally you have to you would

1283
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,440
point it where the fighter is going to

1284
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,040
go right fighters

1285
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:29,119
at least up until

1286
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,800
that i've known about it is we fight

1287
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,640
with our noses right you always want to

1288
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:35,040
fight your enemy this way uh that's

1289
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,240
where all your weapons are pointing all

1290
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,760
your systems all your sensors right and

1291
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,200
then if you're not actively fighting you

1292
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,880
better be pointing the other way right

1293
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,480
so you're preserving your range between

1294
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,839
you and them

1295
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,599
so you want to fight with your nose and

1296
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,480
you want to fight when you're running

1297
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,160
away too right so

1298
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,160
uh so your jammers always go forward and

1299
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,560
aft is really from your fighter

1300
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:55,040
all of our jammers go forward and aft

1301
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:56,319
you know we don't have any outside

1302
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,599
jammers

1303
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,119
i could be mistaken on that point you

1304
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,119
know maybe maybe we had maybe france had

1305
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:02,640
some or something

1306
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:05,200
um so i would say it's

1307
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,480
it's weird

1308
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,800
could it be done

1309
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,400
i mean that aspect of it could have been

1310
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,119
done right i i know enough about

1311
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:15,200
electronic attack uh you know you just

1312
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,560
look online and there's certain

1313
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:18,880
frequencies that they're in right

1314
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,319
uh so you can just get a noise jammer

1315
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,760
you know at radio shack i don't know if

1316
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,359
you can buy it at a raider shack but

1317
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,599
actually you just get a very loud jammer

1318
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,200
uh in that and you just dial it to that

1319
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,960
frequency you can buy them off the shelf

1320
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,680
i

1321
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:34,160
thousand dollars

1322
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,760
and then slap it onto an aircraft

1323
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,440
somehow provide cooling and now you

1324
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,800
could you could have a jammer and that

1325
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,520
would provide noise jamming

1326
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,200
but that's dumb jamming right so what

1327
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,880
they saw what he said they saw was they

1328
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,680
saw

1329
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,000
uh deception jamming you know or i don't

1330
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,240
really know how their how their radar

1331
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,240
exactly works okay but noise jamming is

1332
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,079
just like dumb jamming right if i just

1333
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,760
like

1334
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,760
you know while we're talking

1335
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,760
uh it's gonna jam that right right it

1336
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:02,000
will interfere right it just raises the

1337
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,200
threshold

1338
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,720
so you can't hear what's actually going

1339
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,720
on the radar is the same but deception

1340
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,280
jamming now is like it comes in and puts

1341
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,760
words in that i'm not saying

1342
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,480
like i'm talking you know so that's

1343
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,079
that's like deception jamming you know

1344
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,480
um it cancels out stuff it moves stuff

1345
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,240
in front of other things it says this is

1346
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:23,119
going faster than it is

1347
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,160
so yeah there's there's different

1348
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,920
techniques so it does depend on what

1349
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:27,520
they were seeing

1350
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,119
um

1351
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,280
i don't know my own assessment is it

1352
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,359
doesn't look like they were jamming

1353
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,760
but it seems like but definitely the the

1354
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,760
radar energy what i know for sure what i

1355
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,960
believe

1356
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,400
i can show for sure

1357
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,160
is that it is showing that it's it's

1358
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,079
bouncing the energy back

1359
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,920
so there is something there right and

1360
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,440
that and that's why maybe mick west

1361
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,359
hasn't been able to say it's just a

1362
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,520
glare on the on the targeting pod

1363
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,680
because if the energy's going out

1364
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,079
uh and coming back now we know it's it's

1365
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,560
bouncing off something right something

1366
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,880
solid yeah yeah so that's how you know

1367
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,680
so

1368
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,520
basically just it counts right

1369
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,040
the radar nose is traveling at the speed

1370
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,720
of light so it just counts okay that's

1371
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,400
how far away it is right

1372
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,599
um

1373
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,280
so there's techniques right where you

1374
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,280
you it gets there and

1375
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,000
the jammer catches it and delays it and

1376
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,400
then sends it back louder or something

1377
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,560
you know and so or

1378
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,160
yeah there's more complicated where it

1379
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,839
can foresee right it guesses when the

1380
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,599
next pulse is going to come

1381
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,200
from the target radar and the jammer

1382
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,359
puts a track in front of it so it makes

1383
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,119
it look like it's it's closer so there's

1384
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,040
there's these ways and it's always going

1385
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,800
right now there's people

1386
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,319
all over the world figuring out how to

1387
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,599
do better jamming how to do better

1388
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:39,119
counter counter jamming counter counter

1389
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,720
counter counter jamming

1390
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,119
uh so it's so it's ridiculous but at

1391
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,200
that point i i know i would be

1392
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,880
comfortable saying that for sure

1393
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,720
something's bouncing back so it's

1394
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,640
reflecting radar energy

1395
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,040
but i believe the radar pulse has been

1396
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,760
changed so somehow it's been affected

1397
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,240
right because the the radars the target

1398
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,720
radars they they put a little code when

1399
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,400
they send out their radar right so they

1400
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,760
put out a pulse

1401
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,520
uh and it's coded

1402
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,359
so when that comes back they they read

1403
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,599
the code and so they know right because

1404
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,960
then they can try and get around all

1405
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,319
these all these other tactics right it's

1406
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,560
a counter counter measure um so it's

1407
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,240
coded and when it came back to me it

1408
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,760
tells me that

1409
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,200
uh they couldn't get a range on it right

1410
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:21,040
you notice it says uh there was no range

1411
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:22,680
degraded it was like

1412
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,760
99.9 means range is denied

1413
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,359
um so basically that that pulse is

1414
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,359
coming back but it's been changed

1415
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,440
so that code is not the same

1416
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:34,560
uh and and so that is tripping the

1417
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,359
anti-jam or the whatever processing is

1418
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,359
in the radar to say hey this is not what

1419
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,960
i sent out i don't trust this

1420
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:42,640
information so i'm not going to display

1421
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:43,359
it

1422
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,400
man well and then that that's even more

1423
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,240
troubling to think that

1424
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:50,560
whatever it was was able to get to their

1425
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,599
cap point and know where that was

1426
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:55,680
again it's just so troubling to think

1427
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,640
that whatever it was that it was

1428
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,359
uh seemingly playing a game

1429
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,079
with the pilots uh

1430
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,839
you know it wasn't shooting at them it

1431
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,839
wasn't doing anything like that but my

1432
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,520
god the fact that it's messing with them

1433
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:11,520
this much it knows where the cap point

1434
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:12,480
is i mean

1435
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:13,520
that

1436
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:14,560
how does

1437
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,839
something do that if it's not

1438
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:20,400
doing it instead able to change

1439
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,559
certain things of the radar or know

1440
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,200
where the cap point is like how

1441
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:27,920
how much knowledge does this object have

1442
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,040
of what these pilots are doing it's

1443
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:32,800
i don't know it's too much for me to

1444
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,230
what's up guys ryan dropping in to wish

1445
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,960
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1446
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:44,960
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1447
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1448
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1449
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,760
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1450
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,400
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1451
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,720
the concept is pretty simple

1452
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:01,599
jim talks to regular folks about strange

1453
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:04,480
stuff that happens to them and yes that

1454
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:07,520
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1455
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:10,800
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1456
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,680
now not all the stories are horrifying

1457
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,400
some are pretty heartwarming like a

1458
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,040
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1459
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:21,440
peaceful near-death experience

1460
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,720
regardless they are true and fascinating

1461
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:27,359
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1462
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:30,559
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1463
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:33,599
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1464
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,720
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1465
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,440
spotify or wherever you listen to

1466
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:41,040
somewhere in the skies

1467
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:42,319
and remember

1468
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,910
uh i guess so the the radar so

1469
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,400
i mean my own this is total speculation

1470
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,640
is whatever propulsion system they're

1471
00:49:03,589 --> 00:48:59,200
using or whatever these things are using

1472
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,599
uh it is a it reflects radar but it also

1473
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,079
affects the beams of it so somehow it's

1474
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,079
not bouncing off like a wall you know

1475
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,319
okay um but it's not like stealth either

1476
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,720
right stealth absorbs it or it doesn't

1477
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,559
reflect it ultimately you know that's

1478
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,400
what you're doing with stealth is

1479
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,880
not being reflected right your venus

1480
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,720
you're invisible to

1481
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,559
radar because it doesn't reflect the

1482
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,400
radar energy back so ultimately the

1483
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,839
radar never gets that pulse right it

1484
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:27,520
just sends out a pulse it's like

1485
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,920
nothing you know uh so because it's not

1486
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,440
bouncing back so what it tells me is

1487
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:33,280
these things are not stealth

1488
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,800
which is interesting

1489
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,960
um because if they were stealth then our

1490
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,800
radar would just go around it

1491
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:40,880
right now like uh like our radar

1492
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,240
technology or stealth or um so in that

1493
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:45,920
way it's not stealth it's reflecting

1494
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,640
energy reflecting radar energy but it's

1495
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,319
i believe it's it

1496
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,480
by its nature it's changing it it

1497
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,240
doesn't mean it's doing on

1498
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,520
i can't i'm not comfortable saying it's

1499
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,359
doing on a purpose i guess is that what

1500
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,960
i'm saying yeah

1501
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,319
and the same thing i guess for the cap

1502
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,319
point as well because

1503
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:04,160
i think they it would have to have prior

1504
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,359
knowledge but it would have prior

1505
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,200
knowledge of where the fighters were in

1506
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,720
the previous days

1507
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:11,040
because i looked at the cap point

1508
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,720
uh cap points you pick because they're

1509
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,400
easy

1510
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,920
especially if it's just a basic training

1511
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,280
mission you know you're not out there

1512
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,440
missionizing this to say like okay we're

1513
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,680
going to plan this detailed mission

1514
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,720
i don't know if that's what happening

1515
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,480
but my impression is it was just them

1516
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,119
going out there 1v1 you know practicing

1517
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,280
basic intercepts

1518
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,880
was my it was my

1519
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,400
my impression um

1520
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:34,079
so i think they're just picking what's

1521
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,359
out of the book you know you just look

1522
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,040
in the book because that cap point it's

1523
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,440
just like it's like north 30

1524
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,400
and west

1525
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,240
120 or something i i don't remember the

1526
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,760
exact number but it's whole numbers

1527
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,440
right and you know

1528
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,880
it's only a whole number because it's

1529
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,880
easy for us to just pick and put it into

1530
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:50,559
a book and say it is

1531
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,680
so

1532
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:54,000
chances are they were using this every

1533
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,119
day

1534
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,640
you know they probably use it for they

1535
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,480
may be using it for years um because

1536
00:51:01,589 --> 00:51:00,160
that's those are standard air spaces you

1537
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:01,599
know if they were out flying around or

1538
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,400
not fine i guess uh sailing around

1539
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,920
out in the blue ocean now and they

1540
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,599
picked a cap point out there randomly

1541
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:10,319
you know attached um to their carrier

1542
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,520
which it's always secret where the

1543
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,280
carrier is right so then i would be like

1544
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,119
man that's weird right that is weird

1545
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,200
because blue ocean

1546
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,400
uh they picked this random cap point um

1547
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,800
and it still went there so is it is it

1548
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,720
does it have precognition or something

1549
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,720
right yeah but but in this case these

1550
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:28,079
are standard training areas these are

1551
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,599
your whiskey training areas your

1552
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,200
standard training areas and that cap

1553
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,960
point i bet everybody uses that cat

1554
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,319
point

1555
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,359
i'm happy you you clarified that because

1556
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,400
and again i know a lot of this is um

1557
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,319
speculation and um

1558
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,119
educated opinion but um that that's good

1559
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,800
to know because a lot of people are like

1560
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,559
oh it's us from the future and they knew

1561
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,319
where the cap point was and they're

1562
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,920
they're gonna go mess with these pilots

1563
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:53,920
and you start getting these

1564
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,240
huge grandiose theories that we get in

1565
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:59,200
the ufo world of um the intentions of

1566
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:02,480
these uap when in reality like you said

1567
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,280
like

1568
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,480
it's

1569
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:06,079
when you're able to ground it a little

1570
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,440
more it almost makes the experience more

1571
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,240
fantastic because it still is defying a

1572
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,160
lot of it so yeah i mean that's my

1573
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,920
personal opinion well it's still very

1574
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,200
strange i mean i've always said it's

1575
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:18,720
weird um

1576
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,599
but it

1577
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,839
it to me it kind of means that they were

1578
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,680
they were seeing other aircraft go to

1579
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,839
that point and like orbit around you

1580
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,520
know because at cap point you're waiting

1581
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,680
uh you're doing your fuel checks uh

1582
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:31,040
you're waiting for the fight to start

1583
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,559
you know you're waiting for the the the

1584
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,880
red air to fly over there

1585
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,240
you know it's like a whole it's just a

1586
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,119
holding point um well a cap point uh cap

1587
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,920
point denotes like combat um but we call

1588
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,079
it cap point kind of the hold

1589
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:45,839
uh anyway so yeah it's just a it's a

1590
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:48,079
normal holding so you're going to see

1591
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,359
planes

1592
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:50,960
squat you know i could look at this air

1593
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,680
space look at the basic um

1594
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,760
uh the shape of it and be like yeah i

1595
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:57,040
would set up a cap point here and i'd

1596
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:58,480
set up a cap right here right i mean

1597
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,520
it's got it

1598
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,200
but they did have to know that

1599
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:03,920
it's still weird it is weird well yeah

1600
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,599
all right now here's here's one that um

1601
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,680
a lot of people have thrown out there

1602
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:11,200
and i'd love to get your thoughts on

1603
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,559
this in terms of the tic tac event

1604
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,359
people have said that um you know

1605
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,520
unmarked clothing people came on the

1606
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,400
carriers took the radar bricks and were

1607
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,480
out of there some claimed they could

1608
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:27,200
have been air force and then even more

1609
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:30,079
incredible some claim that this was all

1610
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,760
some sort of

1611
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:34,000
training that the air force was actually

1612
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,079
doing on the navy so i got to get your

1613
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:38,800
opinion chris would that ever happen in

1614
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,119
a training exercise um

1615
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:43,599
would the air force ever

1616
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:46,400
do something like this um with navy

1617
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,599
pilots and risking lives and all of that

1618
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:52,319
i have to get your opinion on that

1619
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:55,680
i i mean definitely not definitely not

1620
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,400
okay

1621
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:57,520
i mean

1622
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,319
no

1623
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,280
it just sounds ridiculous to me uh

1624
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,000
yeah i i mean i guess even if you say

1625
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:06,160
why is why for so many days

1626
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,760
yeah you know

1627
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,680
like why do you need that much that much

1628
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,520
data like if you're really setting up

1629
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,359
this secret

1630
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,200
you know i don't know what test to try

1631
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,280
and test our systems against our systems

1632
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,119
somehow um

1633
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,960
why not just test it for like 10 minutes

1634
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,400
and be like okay they saw it and then

1635
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,079
that's it you know why is it why is it

1636
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:27,200
over this period of days

1637
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:28,800
you know that that doesn't make sense to

1638
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:31,040
me in any way

1639
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,079
well

1640
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,800
would it ever occur where air force

1641
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,400
pilots would do training with navy

1642
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,799
pilots or is that kind of yeah all the

1643
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:40,400
time yeah i mean we train with the navy

1644
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:43,119
um as much as possible you know i the

1645
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,720
whole point is to go joint that's a

1646
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,839
whole

1647
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,280
when i was leaving the air force it was

1648
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,440
that was the huge push it was just

1649
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,880
you know

1650
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,200
joint combat ops

1651
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,280
working together it's always the same

1652
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,880
thing you know but it's it's very

1653
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,880
difficult because

1654
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:00,400
they still we still don't call each

1655
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:01,599
other you know we don't even call each

1656
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:04,000
other across uh fighter squadrons you

1657
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,920
know everybody still trying like each

1658
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,599
fighter squad like i mentioned is like a

1659
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,599
is like a sports team you know right you

1660
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:11,040
kind of hate all the other sports teams

1661
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,319
you know so

1662
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,960
it's just how it works uh yeah

1663
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,880
we do we work together

1664
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,960
um but the navy is usually out doing

1665
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:20,240
their thing and we're all doing our

1666
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:21,280
thing and that and the training

1667
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:23,119
requirements are very difficult you know

1668
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,319
just just to be able to get to that

1669
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,920
combat you know i guess my first mission

1670
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,760
in combat it sounds like it was very

1671
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:30,079
flippant and and it was that was

1672
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,119
surprising to me actually very

1673
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:33,599
surprising um

1674
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:34,799
but

1675
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:37,760
you're missing the two three plus years

1676
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:41,119
of 70 hour weeks in a row you know just

1677
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:42,559
training super hard

1678
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,760
and and normally it's it's very um

1679
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:47,200
you know very well planned out

1680
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,640
especially in training you you just

1681
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:50,079
can't have access you if you have an

1682
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,359
accident man your

1683
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:53,280
your program shut down

1684
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,000
you know yeah a lot is on the line i get

1685
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,160
i totally get it yeah if you have an

1686
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,720
accident in training i mean it's

1687
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,400
and it was like something non-standard

1688
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:03,920
like that man i i mean i could see

1689
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:10,630
yeah i

1690
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:13,359
it just it doesn't seem at all like our

1691
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,799
systems

1692
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,559
okay at least how we would employ them

1693
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,960
you know how the how if i or i wasn't

1694
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,119
the air force you know if i was actually

1695
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,960
trying to test a system but i don't want

1696
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,319
everyone to know about it i wouldn't

1697
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,680
have these things flying around in front

1698
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:27,359
of thousands of people it just doesn't

1699
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,839
right it's just

1700
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:31,920
ridiculous a ton of unwitting uh

1701
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:34,559
witnesses now to it i get it i get it

1702
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,599
yeah um

1703
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:37,760
it defies any sort of logic i can think

1704
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:38,400
of

1705
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,280
um

1706
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:41,200
awesome well i've got i got a bunch of

1707
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:47,910
um but one last personal question this

1708
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:50,880
um defense authorization act

1709
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:54,559
2022 we're getting a permanent office to

1710
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,520
look at ufos i know you did a video like

1711
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,599
right when this thing kind of broke the

1712
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:01,920
story broke and uh you were just as

1713
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,880
excited as we were about this so what do

1714
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,280
you make of this do you think this is um

1715
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,599
are we heading in a good direction uh

1716
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,160
what did you find most uh compelling

1717
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:14,400
about this this new permanent office

1718
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,200
we're gonna get looking at ufos

1719
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:18,640
i i mean i think it's a huge step

1720
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:21,520
forward you know just how excited lou is

1721
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,319
uh i was excited for him um

1722
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,160
and again i'm so new i don't really know

1723
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:28,319
you know how big a deal this is but it

1724
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,839
seems like they're going to take it

1725
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,920
seriously and they're going to

1726
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,440
dedicate money i was reading it again i

1727
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:35,200
think it has 23 million dollars is what

1728
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,319
i could tell is what they're

1729
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:40,079
it i don't understand actually how they

1730
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,680
how they denote the

1731
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:44,000
uh the money but 23 million dollars for

1732
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:45,520
a program it's not a huge amount you

1733
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,720
know i think it's

1734
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,720
it's actually a pretty small amount but

1735
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:50,480
that's that's you know what's funny

1736
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,520
about that

1737
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:54,400
23 million that's one million more than

1738
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,280
atip the pentagon program that's yeah

1739
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:59,040
they gave him they gave him a little bit

1740
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,880
of a blast though it's love i mean you

1741
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,480
look at inflation right it's it's quite

1742
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,480
a bit less good point yeah so i don't

1743
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,240
know i i hope it's more i hope they get

1744
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,480
more than that um but i thought it was

1745
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,640
awesome man i thought it was awesome it

1746
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:12,720
yeah thank you

1747
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,599
yeah

1748
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,440
right right that's a good point you know

1749
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,200
this isn't for certain yet i'm trying to

1750
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,760
keep that in mind before we all get the

1751
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,240
uh the card ahead of the horse but um

1752
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,760
the one thing that stood out to me i'd

1753
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,839
love to get your thoughts on this um

1754
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,440
let's see annual report would be

1755
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,680
required to provide an update on any

1756
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:31,440
efforts underway on the ability to

1757
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,240
capture or exploit discovered aerial

1758
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:36,640
phenomena um but also this part

1759
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:39,359
assessment of any health related effects

1760
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,599
for individuals that have encountered

1761
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:43,680
uap i mean that's something we don't

1762
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:44,720
talk about

1763
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:47,359
that often of um the physiological

1764
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,760
effects of some of these incidents too

1765
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,359
so the fact that they're even willing to

1766
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,160
look at that uh i think is pretty

1767
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,440
uh stunning to be completely honest

1768
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:00,079
yeah i agree completely

1769
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,680
and i think it is

1770
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,520
it shows that they're

1771
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:05,280
serious about it you know they must have

1772
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:06,640
gotten

1773
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:11,119
coming out and talking this congressman

1774
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,799
and telling them look man i'm messed up

1775
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,480
or whatever whatever it is you know

1776
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,480
there are health effects

1777
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,640
you get enough people saying that i mean

1778
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:20,240
like that's what governments are

1779
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,839
supposed to do right they're supposed to

1780
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,920
take care of the people i think i think

1781
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,400
that's what they were they're originally

1782
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,319
they tell us that's why they're there uh

1783
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:30,480
let's take care of the people so

1784
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:32,799
i appreciate that yeah for sure and i

1785
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,720
think that should be the the focus right

1786
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:37,200
i mean that should be the focus is

1787
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,319
i mean

1788
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:39,839
we've let all these people think they're

1789
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,640
crazy for so many years you know i mean

1790
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,240
there's enough evidence maybe maybe we

1791
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,319
could listen to these people and start

1792
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,720
helping them you know instead like they

1793
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:50,079
have this traumatic i consider it a

1794
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,680
traumatic event you know and then as

1795
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:53,040
soon as they tell anybody you know we

1796
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,280
just like beat them down you know like

1797
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,440
take that crazy person

1798
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,760
so you look at uh kevin day the chief

1799
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,680
radar operator and he said this stuff

1800
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,440
ruined his life like he didn't want to

1801
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:05,680
be a part of this he didn't want to like

1802
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,559
be known as the tic tac uf like he he

1803
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,400
basically ushered in the whole event he

1804
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,400
was the first to track him on radar and

1805
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,079
say i think we should send a jet up

1806
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,799
there a couple jets and um his life has

1807
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,319
never been the same so no you're right

1808
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,640
man like not just in the civilian world

1809
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,480
there's been cases where people have

1810
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,240
said like they've gotten radiation

1811
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:26,319
sickness from being in contact with

1812
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,079
whatever the ufo was um but also our

1813
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:32,720
pilots and our commercial pilots like

1814
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:35,359
it's gonna take one of these ufo events

1815
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,720
for like a pilot to make a snap decision

1816
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,040
that might not go favorably and

1817
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,520
hundreds of people might die from it so

1818
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,839
i i think you're right it's it's good to

1819
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:47,599
see that they're taking it more serious

1820
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,559
there's always going to be that

1821
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,720
potential threat aspect as you would

1822
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,079
expect from the military and the

1823
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:54,000
government because like you said it is

1824
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:55,520
their job to hopefully protect their

1825
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:56,400
nation

1826
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,520
and um

1827
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:59,280
and these things seem to be

1828
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,880
potential threats because we don't know

1829
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:02,799
what they are and neither do you guys up

1830
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,960
there as trained observers

1831
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:06,160
yeah

1832
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:09,359
and i'm sure that's what they're doing

1833
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,400
you know ev

1834
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,680
everyone does take the job very

1835
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:13,280
seriously that i knew in the air force

1836
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:14,400
it it was

1837
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:15,760
it was nice people they're very

1838
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,599
dedicated um

1839
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:19,280
they believe in the mission

1840
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:22,480
uh so i think they are trying hard but

1841
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:23,839
they only have their one perspective

1842
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,000
right their one viewpoint yeah and your

1843
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:28,240
military is not known for being this

1844
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:31,680
open-minded kind of community right so

1845
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,559
uh

1846
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,040
yeah i think they're trying their best

1847
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:36,880
maybe to change their minds trying to

1848
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,920
listen to listen to all the evidence

1849
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,880
um

1850
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:42,079
but

1851
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,599
you know it has been 70 years and we

1852
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:45,119
have had a program before like we had

1853
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:46,400
blue book

1854
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:47,200
and

1855
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:48,799
nothing happened right we were ended up

1856
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,319
with the same thing you know we had the

1857
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:52,799
same evidence we had in 1952 you know we

1858
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,039
had we had radar evidence of them going

1859
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,280
hypersonic speeds you know we had

1860
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:59,359
basically we had eyewitness accounts we

1861
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,240
had

1862
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:02,160
photos you know so

1863
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,680
our amount of

1864
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:04,720
evidence

1865
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:05,440
or

1866
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,240
really changed since 1950 and and ever

1867
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,000
there were quite a few government

1868
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:14,160
programs on the way so i

1869
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:15,440
i don't think we should be relying on

1870
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,720
the government to like come in and

1871
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:18,319
actually tell us what they know

1872
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:22,230
yeah

1873
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:23,039
i mean

1874
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:24,240
what is it what do they say in stocks

1875
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:25,599
you know like past performance not

1876
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,839
indicative of of future results and i'm

1877
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:28,960
like well what else are you going to

1878
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,720
look at you know i would say that's

1879
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:32,240
always the funniest thing to me like

1880
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:33,920
yeah i don't buy the stock you know like

1881
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:36,079
don't buy a coca-cola you know past

1882
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,839
performance not an indicator of uh

1883
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:39,680
future results and i'm like really like

1884
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,599
they say this man these people are so

1885
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,960
full of [\h__\h] you know

1886
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:43,920
uh

1887
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:45,359
and people are a lot man they don't

1888
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,960
realize it but a lot most of the time i

1889
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,559
think they just they don't really think

1890
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:51,280
about what they're saying uh or thinking

1891
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:52,880
so i don't know man

1892
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,599
yeah

1893
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,359
welcome to the social media world we

1894
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,000
live right yeah so many tweets passion

1895
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,880
tweets i've regretted and uh videos i've

1896
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:02,400
put out but um

1897
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:03,920
all right chris let me fire through this

1898
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,079
for you man i know we have limited time

1899
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:07,920
and i don't wanna i don't wanna keep you

1900
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:11,039
too long um luis from the unidentified

1901
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:12,559
celebrity review will show you

1902
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,440
frequented lately which is awesome um he

1903
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,200
wants to know do you ever wish you'd

1904
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:19,760
seen a uap and would you have reported

1905
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:22,559
it like fraver and underwood did

1906
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,200
uh i'm now yeah for sure i wish i saw it

1907
01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:27,200
you know i never thought i'd had an

1908
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:28,839
opportunity

1909
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,720
before um

1910
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:33,599
if do would i have reported it i don't

1911
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:35,200
know you know i think it depends on the

1912
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:37,520
circumstances

1913
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,440
yeah that's a good point yep i don't

1914
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:41,200
know and a lot has changed like you said

1915
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,400
now they have to at least the navy i'm

1916
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,000
not sure what the protocol is in the air

1917
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:48,240
force now i know they're oh that's

1918
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,680
another thing they're kind of it seems

1919
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:51,839
like they're kind of a few steps behind

1920
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:54,319
the navy when it's coming to all this um

1921
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:56,559
their willingness to come forward with

1922
01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:59,200
their data and how they're going to use

1923
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,240
protocol to report these things

1924
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,240
it is interesting because we all think

1925
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,240
the cover-up truly started with the air

1926
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:08,480
force back when roswell happened when

1927
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:10,880
the air force first became a thing and

1928
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:12,559
now they're kind of the ones who were

1929
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:14,720
super quiet about all this in the past

1930
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,599
few years doesn't make you wonder

1931
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:19,520
it does yeah

1932
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:21,039
it does you know because you don't hear

1933
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:22,240
anything from the air force they were

1934
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,599
the last ones

1935
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,599
uh to sign you know they they basically

1936
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:26,960
started their

1937
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:30,240
uh investigation the last possible day

1938
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:33,039
you know for the the task force

1939
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:35,680
uh they haven't come very clean man i i

1940
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:37,920
don't know i'm not very

1941
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,119
i'm not very confident yeah in the air

1942
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:42,880
force right now sorry

1943
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,599
yep hey put their feet to the fire chris

1944
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:47,200
we need you yeah we need to fight in

1945
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,319
that fight um all right blend underscore

1946
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,160
meatballs on twitter wow that's quite a

1947
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:54,880
handle um not a question about ufos but

1948
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:57,200
what is your most memorable flight in

1949
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:58,960
the f-16 anything you're willing to

1950
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:01,119
share in terms of that

1951
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,559
oh

1952
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:04,319
i guess the yeah the first sortie in

1953
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,200
combat

1954
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,960
i won't forget that one

1955
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:09,200
uh yeah all the missions and the

1956
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,760
missions in iraq i just had some

1957
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:13,680
just ridiculous missions

1958
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,000
yeah anyway you don't have to do it yeah

1959
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:18,160
no one uh didn't kill anybody i didn't

1960
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:19,440
have anyone

1961
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,359
die you know i've actually had a very

1962
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,440
uh i guess lucky kind of career you know

1963
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:25,599
i've had friends die for sure

1964
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:27,200
but i wasn't there

1965
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:28,079
so

1966
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:30,079
yeah you know i haven't seen firsthand

1967
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:33,200
any traumatic events i you know i wasn't

1968
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:34,720
kind of one of the few fighter pilots

1969
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:36,960
these days it hasn't killed anyone um i

1970
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,400
was there you know

1971
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:40,319
yeah it was just kind of luck and then i

1972
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:41,920
didn't i didn't volunteer to go back i

1973
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,079
didn't make an effort to go back uh and

1974
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:46,160
fight in those wars that i i just didn't

1975
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:49,119
think there was a reason so yeah

1976
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:51,520
that's that that's very commendable for

1977
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,680
sure yeah i guess i'll just mention i'll

1978
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,799
mention it quickly because because he

1979
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:56,720
did ask a question

1980
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:59,200
you you uh pee in these piddle packs you

1981
01:06:01,109 --> 01:06:00,319
know have you ever heard of a piddle

1982
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,119
pack

1983
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,839
i have not please no

1984
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:05,520
in combat especially when you cross the

1985
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:06,880
oceans normally our missions are just

1986
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:08,240
like an hour and a half but when you fly

1987
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:11,039
long missions across the ocean in combat

1988
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:12,240
you know your missions are like five or

1989
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:13,359
six hours

1990
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:15,119
and you you want to stay hydrated right

1991
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:16,960
because as soon as you're less than

1992
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:18,079
three percent if you're three percent

1993
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,760
dehydrated it lowers your performance

1994
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,680
and lowers your g tolerance

1995
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:23,440
you know you don't need g tolerance in

1996
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,280
in iraq anyway

1997
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:27,200
um but you wanna you wanna stay hydrated

1998
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:28,240
right which means you're gonna have to

1999
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,200
pee essentially right and up until that

2000
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:33,119
point my technique was just don't pee

2001
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,599
right so i just don't be it is very it's

2002
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,039
difficult man you got like this plastic

2003
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,280
bag it's called a piddle pack

2004
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,359
you unroll it and uh

2005
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:43,280
there's like the sand in there you know

2006
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,720
and then you gotta undo all this

2007
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,640
equipment all these straps

2008
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,640
it's actually dangerous i i'm when i was

2009
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:50,799
in turkey a pilot died uh pissing

2010
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:52,000
actually

2011
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:53,520
because you have to move the seat and if

2012
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:54,880
you unbuckle

2013
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,880
from the ejection seat now

2014
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:58,720
uh basically he was moving the seat

2015
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,480
which you're not supposed to do

2016
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,960
uh and it it like jammed the stick and

2017
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:04,240
he ended up dying right because you

2018
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,599
can't eject then because you're you're

2019
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:06,640
unstrapped

2020
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,599
right um an a-10 pilot did that as well

2021
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:11,839
so this it's actually even dangerous uh

2022
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,720
but you have to do it and and a lot and

2023
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:16,079
actually the pilots we don't really talk

2024
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:17,280
about it much you know like you don't

2025
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:19,599
talk about how you how you pee back with

2026
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,839
your friends normally right and we don't

2027
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:24,480
think of those things as a civilian yeah

2028
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,240
that's crazy yeah that never would have

2029
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:28,559
dawned on me but yeah yeah yeah it's

2030
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:30,319
it's difficult um

2031
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:32,160
so

2032
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,839
this day my buddy stevo i'm trying to

2033
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,280
get him to i think he'll work with me on

2034
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:37,119
this uh the satellite project

2035
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,960
uh but steve oh he's telling me in the

2036
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:40,079
morning we were working out you know i

2037
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:42,000
had a night mission and he's like man

2038
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,680
you know i've been drinking water uh i'm

2039
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:45,039
drinking like three liters a day i just

2040
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:46,720
feel fantastic you know and you're in

2041
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:48,559
when you're in iraq you can't drink you

2042
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,760
know there's no money so everybody's

2043
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:51,440
just working out all the time i read i

2044
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:52,960
read a bunch of books and

2045
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:54,640
uh in your free time there's not much to

2046
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,520
do really um so i was like sounds great

2047
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:59,039
man i just read in a fitness magazine

2048
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,720
like you should drink tons of water and

2049
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:02,000
i was like okay today you know i'm

2050
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:03,599
drinking water so

2051
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,839
i drank like a it was like two liters

2052
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:07,599
before i even got into the squadron you

2053
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,480
know and i showed up at the squadron and

2054
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,839
up on the wall

2055
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:13,440
there was uh

2056
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,599
in a plastic bag was the the seat

2057
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:17,359
cushion right there was a seat cushion

2058
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:19,120
it was yellowed in the middle you know

2059
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:26,470
the next pilot to pee on uh on the seat

2060
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:29,040
uh is grounded

2061
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,719
and i was like holy sh i immediately had

2062
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,560
to pee you know i was like no you know

2063
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:34,159
so

2064
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,640
much as i can you know but i drink a lot

2065
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,960
of water a lot of water um

2066
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:42,719
so i tried to i peed again before we

2067
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,560
went out there i peed on the ground okay

2068
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:45,759
because it's a lot easier to pee when

2069
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:46,960
you're waiting on the ground than it is

2070
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,279
while you're flying uh-huh uh so i got

2071
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:51,120
in the air it didn't help right so we go

2072
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,880
we're the mission of special forces

2073
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,319
they're they're uh raiding a house

2074
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,159
they're looking for some high value uh

2075
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:58,159
target some guy in there

2076
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,159
uh so we show up and

2077
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:02,000
i check in with the guys you know i'm

2078
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:03,520
leading the mission and

2079
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:04,880
they're like

2080
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:07,120
miles away you know and i was like okay

2081
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,480
uh they're like starting the mission you

2082
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:10,000
know and then they just start

2083
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:10,960
walking

2084
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,839
like super slow i don't know like air

2085
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:15,199
fighting's just so much faster than

2086
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:16,400
ground fighting you know you just get

2087
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:18,159
that they're like wait you're you're

2088
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,719
walking there you're gonna walk there uh

2089
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:22,319
so anyway i had time so i was like okay

2090
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,679
i'll refuel

2091
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:25,279
uh so when they get to the house i'll

2092
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:26,719
have all my fuel i won't have to worry

2093
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,159
about refueling you know because you can

2094
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:30,400
only fly for about 45 minutes uh before

2095
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:31,759
you you need to go refuel and i'm like

2096
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,040
man these guys are it's going to take

2097
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,040
them 45 minutes just to get there

2098
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,880
so i'm going to i'm going to tanker and

2099
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:38,319
i'm like okay i have plenty of time now

2100
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,920
i can i can piss you know i can take

2101
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:41,520
care of everything get it done

2102
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:44,560
uh and it's dark pitch black i set up

2103
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:46,319
the autopilot and i have to turn on the

2104
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:48,319
lights right so i can't see outside it's

2105
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,839
totally dark

2106
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:51,600
i get the piddle pack already unstrap

2107
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:52,640
everything i get everything ready you

2108
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:54,800
know and i'm so i'm i'm peeing you know

2109
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,320
it's okay everything's going fine it's

2110
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:58,800
working okay everything's going fine

2111
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,120
uh but then i drink i drink so much

2112
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,120
water right that it just starts like

2113
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:05,360
getting to the top of the piddle pack

2114
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,239
you know and i'm just like oh no

2115
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,640
you know like this image of this seat

2116
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:12,719
cushion you know bolted to the wall i

2117
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:15,280
was just like no

2118
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,960
so i'm just really concentrating you

2119
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:18,239
know and i'm like you know what what do

2120
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,360
you do like

2121
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:21,040
i don't even know what to do because

2122
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:23,120
i just they must have some limit you

2123
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,920
know

2124
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:25,520
yeah i found out later i think it's like

2125
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,400
500 milliliters um

2126
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:30,000
they must they must know like that the

2127
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,679
normal bladder size you know but it was

2128
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,520
still just getting closer and closer

2129
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,360
um but what i hadn't realized was i'm

2130
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:37,360
just concentrating so hard is the the

2131
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,760
aircraft the f-16 does not have

2132
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,840
automatic throttles right the f-18 i

2133
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:43,280
learned that they have auto throttles

2134
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:45,199
which which would be awesome

2135
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,800
so it doesn't control your thrust it

2136
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:48,640
controls your altitude

2137
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:50,480
so while i had been slowing right i

2138
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:51,920
didn't realize my throttle was slightly

2139
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,920
low while i was peeing

2140
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,920
and i didn't notice it but like the

2141
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:57,679
plane was just getting slower and slower

2142
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:59,920
and slower okay uh but i can't tell it's

2143
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:01,920
totally dark outside

2144
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:03,280
so what happens when a plane gets too

2145
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:06,239
slow it stalls right so this right

2146
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:07,040
yeah

2147
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:07,840
and

2148
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,040
like all the emergency lights come on

2149
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:12,960
you know it's like warning warning you

2150
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:14,560
know like everything goes like the jets

2151
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,400
about to explode or something

2152
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:19,040
it's and so what did i do you know i do

2153
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:20,880
we're slow i need to go faster i just

2154
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:23,280
slam the throttle to military power you

2155
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:24,480
know

2156
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,640
and i i'm just holding this giant bag of

2157
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,560
piss on my you know right in front of me

2158
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,320
and so if you can imagine what happens

2159
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,159
when you throw the throttle in a fire

2160
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,840
right it just like

2161
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:35,679
i just pulled it out

2162
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:37,760
so i basically filled up a whole bag of

2163
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:39,520
piss and then just like poured it on

2164
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,960
myself

2165
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,400
wow

2166
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,400
that was amazing

2167
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,239
you know you guys are trained to make

2168
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:48,400
split decisions and you did what you had

2169
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:51,440
to do man that's crazy that is a hell of

2170
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:54,159
a memorable experience and i'm sure that

2171
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,320
uh that listener was not expecting that

2172
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,400
story yeah there you go but we finished

2173
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:00,400
the mission i was able to i dried off

2174
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,600
that you get these crazy thoughts too

2175
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:03,360
like i can dry it off you know like

2176
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,800
nobody ever noticed

2177
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,560
like maybe it was all water it was all

2178
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,400
water right so

2179
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,480
it'll be dry and everything will be fine

2180
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,560
you know so i like set up this map

2181
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,800
this you know i'd like superheated

2182
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:16,560
engine all uh super

2183
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:18,640
or heated air off the engine

2184
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,120
direct and i i was diverting it with

2185
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,360
this map i had made up and it was going

2186
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:24,880
to dry it you know but

2187
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,320
whatever

2188
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,800
preservation special forces guys are

2189
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:30,400
down there you know i can just imagine

2190
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,239
what they're thinking

2191
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:34,320
didn't tell anything

2192
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:35,920
they did the mission they got him a

2193
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:38,159
helicopter flew in um he captured the

2194
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:40,080
guy um

2195
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:41,360
no no

2196
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,040
yeah i know it was hurting awesome man

2197
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,960
yeah came back and landed i just told

2198
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,560
the crew i was like dude it's pete on

2199
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,320
the seas like okay that's fine i was

2200
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,719
like i'm taking it with me you know

2201
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:52,800
yep that's that is definitely a

2202
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,520
permanent souvenir in memory

2203
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:57,280
i love it

2204
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:00,239
i guess yeah oh it's okay good

2205
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:02,239
good we're gonna get more details just

2206
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:05,440
what i want more to the the piddle story

2207
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:06,719
um

2208
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,679
so

2209
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:09,440
you came out with a video recently and

2210
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:12,239
rick h on facebook wants to know um

2211
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:15,520
chris's crazy ass theory on uaps

2212
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:16,400
um

2213
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:18,080
let's see what he says here he wants to

2214
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:20,560
know if you've ever seen the documentary

2215
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,199
inner world's outer worlds a lot of your

2216
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:25,360
theory is in there and i think he'd be

2217
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,480
shocked at how on the money he is so

2218
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,159
that might be something you want what is

2219
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,880
the inner world inner world's outer

2220
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:35,040
world cool

2221
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,719
what was that video about i haven't had

2222
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,480
a chance to really look at that that was

2223
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:40,480
was that your dark matter one or was

2224
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:41,920
that a separate video yeah i changed the

2225
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:43,840
name actually uh

2226
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:45,280
yeah i don't know i just want to make it

2227
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,960
more uh simple

2228
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,640
it's easy to change the name of of

2229
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:50,719
youtube videos as you know i'm sure oh

2230
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,440
yeah

2231
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,280
so i changed it to dark matter is life

2232
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:55,440
just to like say what the the overall

2233
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:56,560
argument is

2234
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,440
so people don't get uh confused

2235
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:01,520
but yeah it's it's basically i think why

2236
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,600
i actually started writing books

2237
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:05,360
back in 2015. you know i watch these

2238
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:08,239
youtubers uh brandon carter he's this

2239
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:09,840
workout guy i haven't watched him in

2240
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:11,199
several years you know so i don't know

2241
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,640
what he's posting but

2242
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:14,880
just motivated me so much just to to do

2243
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:16,320
what you need to do you know to do it

2244
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:17,760
you know that i think that's the main

2245
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:19,199
thing in life

2246
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:21,360
is you just go and do it you know yeah

2247
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:22,880
like it's easy right

2248
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:24,159
yeah like you went and you started

2249
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:25,679
making video or you know you went and

2250
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:27,040
you wrote that book and you just went

2251
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,480
around and started asking people

2252
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:30,800
questions man you do it like

2253
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,760
it's crazy the actions the actions uh

2254
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,280
they bring momentum with them you know

2255
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,800
once you get it's like

2256
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:38,320
once you can get momentum it's like you

2257
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,679
have inertia

2258
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,360
but if you never if you never just go

2259
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:43,440
and do it like nothing ever happens you

2260
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:44,480
know

2261
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:48,480
my girlfriend always brings this up

2262
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,280
there's a meme out there of like

2263
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,000
um a girl telling her friends like oh

2264
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,640
yeah my boyfriend has a podcast and it's

2265
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,960
like yeah because every girlfriend's

2266
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:01,600
boyfriend has a podcast these days and

2267
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:03,920
um when i first said like i'm gonna

2268
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:06,159
start a podcast you know she was kind of

2269
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:08,480
like oh cool yeah like

2270
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,400
do it i'm sure you'll get bored of it

2271
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:12,320
after 10 episodes

2272
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:14,480
and lo and behold i think this is going

2273
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,960
to be episode 240 something chris and um

2274
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:20,960
like you said when you put your mind to

2275
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:23,360
it and put it into action these things

2276
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:25,679
actually can become something and you

2277
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:27,679
can actually make a difference to the

2278
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:29,600
the conversations being had and now

2279
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,080
she's like my biggest supporter she's my

2280
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,560
main researcher she's helping me edit

2281
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,199
episodes and i think yeah one if you're

2282
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,600
passionate about it like you can make it

2283
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,760
happen and i'm so happy that you've

2284
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:44,000
decided to take on this very

2285
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,280
controversial

2286
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:47,360
topic because it's not easy man i can't

2287
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:49,440
imagine what some of your flight buddies

2288
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:52,960
must think or you know

2289
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,840
yeah

2290
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:55,120
what do they think

2291
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,960
do they think you're the crazy ufo guy

2292
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,880
now i gotta ask i don't know i haven't

2293
01:16:01,750 --> 01:16:00,320
asked any of my pilot friends

2294
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:01,760
[Music]

2295
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:03,280
the ones i've talked to they seem uh

2296
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:04,800
supportive you know i asked one guy for

2297
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:05,679
uh

2298
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,760
mvg he gave me a picture of the mvgs

2299
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:09,440
that we use you know there's no triangle

2300
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:10,800
aperture by the way it's there's no

2301
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:13,199
aperture in our mvgs it's just uh

2302
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,239
it doesn't work that way so yeah so

2303
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:18,000
that uh that was one of the omaha videos

2304
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,320
i did actually you know the triangle uh

2305
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:22,400
the triangle one uh the pyramid video

2306
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,120
with jeremy corbin yep um so yeah i've

2307
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:27,600
done a few on the on the omaha uh but i

2308
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:29,280
asked him hey uh can you help me with

2309
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:31,199
this and he was happy to help so i think

2310
01:16:34,090 --> 01:16:32,560
now it's getting in the news getting

2311
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:34,100
more mainstream i think um

2312
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:35,280
[Music]

2313
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:36,000
yeah

2314
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:37,440
i do need to ask them i keep getting

2315
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,800
comments like hey if you asked in your

2316
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:40,159
pilot buddies but i can't get on

2317
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:42,480
facebook for some reason i don't know

2318
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:43,520
whatever

2319
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:44,960
yeah okay

2320
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:47,120
they'll come to you if they have a story

2321
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:49,040
to share i'm sure um

2322
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:50,800
but everyone's been supportive i i want

2323
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:52,719
to say uh oh yeah yeah i didn't i didn't

2324
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:54,719
want to you know i didn't go out to join

2325
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:57,120
the ufo community or any uap community

2326
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:57,920
uh

2327
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,600
but everyone's been very supportive and

2328
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:01,360
and helpful you know so

2329
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,960
good yeah appreciate it it's a fun bunch

2330
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,040
yeah yeah i'm glad they let me you know

2331
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:07,679
they accept me i guess you know

2332
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:09,920
we let you into the uh the freak show

2333
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:12,159
yeah yeah no it's a i love it right in i

2334
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:13,120
mean yeah

2335
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:15,679
i think so man it's fun and like you

2336
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,560
know there's days i wish i wasn't in it

2337
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:20,880
uh but it always pulls me back and again

2338
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:23,520
i think it's that burning curiosity to

2339
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:26,000
know what more is out there that keeps a

2340
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,640
lot of us going and it's becoming more

2341
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:30,560
real than it's ever been before so i

2342
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:33,600
think that's exciting um oh here's one

2343
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:36,320
andre on facebook asks what is your take

2344
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:37,440
on the

2345
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,159
hard debunkers now that the government

2346
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:44,880
and mainstream scientists are

2347
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,199
taking it serious um it seems like

2348
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,800
they're kind of

2349
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,800
stepping over their own words and kind

2350
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,640
of losing their minds over this now you

2351
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:54,560
have you have people like avi loeb

2352
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,480
starting the galileo project which is

2353
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:58,640
awesome um or you have neil degrasse

2354
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:00,560
tyson who's actually

2355
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:03,040
super skeptical of a lot of this and now

2356
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,000
kind of

2357
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:06,719
opening up a little bit a little bit

2358
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:09,120
he's getting there um we'll get him yet

2359
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:11,360
but uh also i think it's very important

2360
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:13,760
uh the skeptics are essential to this

2361
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:16,320
topic to this discourse um but yeah what

2362
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,000
do you think um

2363
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:20,239
with the debunkers out there what what

2364
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:21,840
agenda do you think they have in all

2365
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:23,199
this

2366
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,880
i mean um

2367
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:26,640
i'm sure it's personal i i kind of

2368
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,159
changed after abby loeb you know so

2369
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:30,320
basically i made uh

2370
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:32,080
or thunderfoot so thunderfoot he has a

2371
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,679
million subscribers i called him out in

2372
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:35,520
my first like most popular video you

2373
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,520
know when i was fired up and yes i you

2374
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:39,360
know i actually took out a lot of stuff

2375
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,840
from that video but i left in some stuff

2376
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:43,600
uh negative comments about these guys

2377
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,880
which i still agree with you know i

2378
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:46,560
still think that um

2379
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,840
they're just wrong they have no idea

2380
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,360
what they're talking about um they are

2381
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,120
correct on certain points you know yeah

2382
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:53,040
i was wrong i said i said focal length i

2383
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,400
went back and looked like what actually

2384
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:55,760
is focal length you know and the way

2385
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:58,480
they they define focal length okay so

2386
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,679
i'm not talking about focal length i'm

2387
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:01,199
talking about focal distance but i say

2388
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:03,199
focal length in that um

2389
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,719
you know because i'm not an optical

2390
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,480
expert but i've used these pods for long

2391
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:08,000
enough i know that you can't just focus

2392
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:10,159
it there and then focus it you know you

2393
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:12,960
don't have it in focus to infinity

2394
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:14,080
um

2395
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:15,520
yeah so i mean if something's further

2396
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:17,199
away it it changes focus and then when

2397
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:18,719
something's closer it changes focus to

2398
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,320
move to move the depth of field you know

2399
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:22,960
your depth of field changes et cetera so

2400
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:25,199
uh i guess me trying to explain the

2401
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,320
optics

2402
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:28,880
uh from from just using it

2403
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:31,199
uh anyway kind of backfired

2404
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,880
uh but

2405
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,800
after that so i was i was fired up you

2406
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:36,400
know and i was like man you know now i

2407
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:37,440
have to get in this other debate with

2408
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:40,080
this other dude um

2409
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,840
any but he has a million subscribers i

2410
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,040
don't know maybe i can change some of

2411
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,360
their minds yeah but then i met with avi

2412
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:47,040
loeb and i did my interview with abby

2413
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,600
loeb and he just kind of re-caged me and

2414
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,760
basically he his point was

2415
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:54,000
you know i don't care i'm not doing this

2416
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:56,000
to see to get more likes you know i

2417
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:57,600
don't care how many more likes i got and

2418
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:00,800
he he he shot a a pretty square shotgun

2419
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:02,640
shot right at uh neil degrasse tyson

2420
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,159
right because i i mentioned hey neil

2421
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:06,080
degrasse tyson hasn't really you know

2422
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,560
come around to this and and abby loeb

2423
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,159
said directly hey that guy cares about

2424
01:20:14,950 --> 01:20:12,560
likes more than he does about the truth

2425
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:14,960
like wow that was kind of a shock

2426
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:18,000
i mean he's a media personality

2427
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:18,960
it's

2428
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:20,880
for anyone who takes what neil degrasse

2429
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:23,440
tyson says as religion i'm like he's a

2430
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,320
tv guy like he's a personality he

2431
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:28,880
doesn't he's not out there raising money

2432
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:31,440
to try to look for techno signatures on

2433
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,760
other planets like someone like yeah is

2434
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:36,480
doing so yeah yeah i i'm glad to hear

2435
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:37,199
him

2436
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,560
comes to that and and i i always liked

2437
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:42,320
neil degrasse tyson you know i watched

2438
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:44,000
for you know several years i listened to

2439
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:45,679
his podcast you know before he was

2440
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:46,960
before he's famous you know i was

2441
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:48,880
listening to him but i i don't know

2442
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,840
uh

2443
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:51,840
so i mean i i hope he comes around i

2444
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:53,600
really do i hope he comes around

2445
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:55,679
yeah and coming around i mean that's

2446
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,719
such a

2447
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,560
you know what does that even mean i i

2448
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:00,880
kind of always go back to that because

2449
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:02,719
it's not like we're trying to prove to

2450
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,280
anyone in the ufo as a ufo researcher

2451
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:07,440
i'm not here to prove

2452
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:10,960
aliens are piloting these ufos or

2453
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:12,800
that that's not my job i'm trying to

2454
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,520
find every conventional explanation as a

2455
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:17,679
skeptic would before we're left with

2456
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,800
that truly unknown and maybe

2457
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:22,560
it could be aliens so i think it's

2458
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,040
important to keep that in mind when um

2459
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:27,440
going down this rabbit hole of what is

2460
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:29,679
what do i really want out of this and

2461
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,800
what does it mean to me and uh

2462
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,239
and how do you

2463
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:36,400
present that to the public you know we

2464
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,639
don't want to be known as the crazy

2465
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,560
tinfoil hat wearing

2466
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,000
you know people who believe in little

2467
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:44,880
green men that's i mean at least not me

2468
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:47,040
personally so when people like you come

2469
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:49,520
around we're like yes finally more

2470
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:52,560
legitimacy from an actual pilot who can

2471
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:53,840
tell us

2472
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:55,520
this isn't what this is this could be

2473
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:57,280
this this could be this so

2474
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:59,120
yeah that's kind of my little soapbox

2475
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,480
moment chris i don't know

2476
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,840
it's awesome i i

2477
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:03,679
again i i appreciate it i was very

2478
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:06,000
surprised by all the attention you know

2479
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:07,440
because i'd been making youtube videos

2480
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:08,320
for

2481
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:09,120
uh

2482
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,360
six seven months before that you know

2483
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:13,199
every i just vowed every week i'm gonna

2484
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:14,639
make a video whatever whatever i was

2485
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,239
interested in that week

2486
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:18,400
uh i would make a video about it

2487
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:19,440
um

2488
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,400
so yeah i'm very appreciative but i was

2489
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:24,639
surprised at how many how much attention

2490
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:26,080
i got like uh

2491
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:28,000
right away you know but i guess i want

2492
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:30,000
to finish that is um

2493
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:31,920
i just don't have time to care what mick

2494
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:33,840
west thinks like honestly you know like

2495
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:36,159
i'm not gonna go watch him say stuff uh

2496
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:37,600
i mean i

2497
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:40,400
i do care of his arguments his arguments

2498
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,719
are good um if he makes valid arguments

2499
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:44,719
then i you know i will listen to the

2500
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:46,320
arguments but i don't go watch

2501
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,840
everything i don't think i watch

2502
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:49,840
anything he's requests

2503
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,440
the quest shows you know and after avi

2504
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:53,520
love said that to me and it was like i

2505
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:54,800
was all

2506
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:57,199
worried about or angry at

2507
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:58,480
thunder foot you know like i was going

2508
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:00,000
to do all this thing but now i'm just

2509
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:02,159
proving something that's i i already i'm

2510
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:05,199
pretty sure i proved it um so why would

2511
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:07,600
i be wasting my time with these guys

2512
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:09,760
yeah no no i don't care i don't care

2513
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:12,719
what this dude thinks

2514
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:13,920
i really don't

2515
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:16,320
i don't care i i honestly i've just put

2516
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:17,840
myself in a position where i don't have

2517
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:20,239
to to care what anyone actually thinks

2518
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:21,600
um

2519
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:23,199
yeah and i'm so happy for that i just

2520
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:24,719
appreciate it so much and and that's

2521
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:26,560
what i'm just gonna say

2522
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:27,840
i'm just gonna say what i think you know

2523
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:30,080
i'm tired for for 18 years i grew up you

2524
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:31,760
know in a religious country you know

2525
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:33,840
texas and then for 24 years i was in the

2526
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:36,560
military you know and

2527
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,239
so finally i'm just in a position

2528
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,800
financially mentally socially right i

2529
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:42,639
live in portugal

2530
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,440
so

2531
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:45,360
i just don't have to care what other

2532
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:47,440
people think and so i'm just going to do

2533
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:49,120
what i want to do and and so i think

2534
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,159
that

2535
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:52,800
i really want to find out if there are

2536
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:54,639
you a ap you know you made that

2537
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:56,800
statement like i'm not here to to to

2538
01:24:01,910 --> 01:23:59,679
prove that the alien is at the spaceship

2539
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,920
but i would say just go for it man

2540
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,120
that's what i would want to prove you

2541
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:04,960
know i want to prove there's a spaceship

2542
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:07,679
there and there's alien in it or not

2543
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,080
uh or it's something else or some weird

2544
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:12,480
anomalies or something but

2545
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:13,360
uh

2546
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:15,199
yeah it's just so interesting so

2547
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:17,040
interesting to me it's so

2548
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,199
i mean what is there a bigger story what

2549
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,120
else you can talk about you know oh man

2550
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:23,520
i always tell people two big questions

2551
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:26,800
in life you know where do we go after

2552
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:30,000
we die what happens and is there other

2553
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,239
life out there and i think we can

2554
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,320
viably answer at least one of those

2555
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:36,480
hopefully within our lifetime maybe not

2556
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:39,120
um or the answers might be completely

2557
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:40,960
different than what we ever

2558
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:43,360
expected but hey we're making strides

2559
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:46,639
and it takes rebellious scientists and

2560
01:24:52,709 --> 01:24:50,400
and um you know philosophers to really

2561
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:52,719
go on that land mine as avi loeb would

2562
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:55,199
say before we can you know it's it's

2563
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:57,120
paranormal until it's normal that's what

2564
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,199
i sort of go with with people or it's

2565
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,960
science fiction until it's you know

2566
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:03,280
science fact so yeah i think we're on

2567
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,120
the cusp of finding out some really

2568
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,440
interesting stuff when it comes to

2569
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:09,920
where we're heading quantum physics wise

2570
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:12,400
and in a lot of that sort of stuff so

2571
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,040
now i i can hear the hunger and the uh

2572
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:16,960
the curiosity in your voice to find

2573
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,639
those answers and that's yeah those are

2574
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:20,320
the kind of people we gravitate towards

2575
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:21,360
because we can

2576
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:23,600
we can see the passion and it just can't

2577
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,000
it just came back so coincidentally to

2578
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:28,719
my my original kind of crazy theory you

2579
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,600
know

2580
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:31,520
um i grew up thinking the theory not

2581
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,440
fully um

2582
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,600
but basically i did feel like we were in

2583
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:37,679
a organized uh

2584
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:39,280
organism you know i thought that for

2585
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:40,480
decades

2586
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:42,400
uh i just would i didn't know how to how

2587
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,120
to

2588
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:45,440
communicate it or i didn't and it wasn't

2589
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:47,120
even full until i watched the avilobe

2590
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:48,320
interview

2591
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:49,760
with lex friedman again i should just

2592
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:51,520
watch lex friedman uh all of his

2593
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:53,440
interviews uh with people but i watched

2594
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,440
an interview with him and abby loeb and

2595
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:57,120
that really put all the pieces together

2596
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,360
for my um whatever chris's crazy ass

2597
01:26:02,709 --> 01:26:01,760
theory uh but basically it just means

2598
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,719
that um

2599
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,239
you know humans are not this we're not

2600
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:06,000
the top of the life chain you know if

2601
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:08,000
you go down into our bodies there's you

2602
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:09,600
know

2603
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,400
maybe an infinity amount of levels below

2604
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:14,639
you know in your cells and

2605
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,239
and i think they're all just

2606
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:18,400
living in their dimension

2607
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:21,600
just like we are at our size dimension

2608
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:23,920
and then if you look above us so i think

2609
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:26,480
we're just in larger organisms which

2610
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:29,040
could if you keep you know

2611
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:32,000
go out to infinity up

2612
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:34,400
then it does it could possibly match for

2613
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:35,920
like this dark matter what we're seeing

2614
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:38,239
basically the argument is uh

2615
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:40,480
it's more order so life life creates

2616
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,639
order is kind of what i believe

2617
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,719
you know out of dead inanimate matter it

2618
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:46,800
organizes it so into the future right it

2619
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:48,960
replicates you know

2620
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,840
dirt and turns it into a plant right so

2621
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,600
it organizes it and then the plant will

2622
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:54,880
continue into the

2623
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:57,760
uh in to the future so i think what life

2624
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,760
actually does it organizes stuff it

2625
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,840
creates order and and when we look up

2626
01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:03,600
that's what we're seeing is this this

2627
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:05,600
dark matter right it's not really matter

2628
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:07,199
it's it's a

2629
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:09,760
a term that scientists use to denote a

2630
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:12,080
misunderstanding like our models are not

2631
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:15,360
matching and they're and they're 95 off

2632
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:17,520
i don't know i see numbers from 85 to 95

2633
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:18,480
off

2634
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,920
which means you're not up okay you're

2635
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,600
not even off man you're you're not even

2636
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:23,920
in the same zip code you know

2637
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:26,400
um and but really what we're seeing when

2638
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:27,920
we look up is there's more order than

2639
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:29,760
we're expecting right the galaxies are

2640
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:30,880
staying together when they when they

2641
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,880
should be blowing apart right but

2642
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,400
they're being held together

2643
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:36,560
by dark matter which is

2644
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:38,960
the the argument up until now

2645
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,360
uh was it's this invisible substance

2646
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,040
that creates more mass and we'll never

2647
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:45,120
be able to see it right

2648
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:46,480
which just sounds like the invisible

2649
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,320
teacup orbiting the earth have you ever

2650
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,159
heard that argument yeah yeah yeah

2651
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,400
you've heard it yeah so prove to me uh

2652
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,400
there's there's not an invisible teacup

2653
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:56,159
orbiting the earth right now right you

2654
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:57,360
can't you can't prove something that

2655
01:28:02,070 --> 01:27:59,199
doesn't exist yeah

2656
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:02,080
so that's the basic argument is that

2657
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:04,560
life is actually uh ordering

2658
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:06,639
uh and so what what these uaps would

2659
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,960
actually be is control some type of

2660
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,320
control mechanisms they you know

2661
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,480
whatever they provide nutrients for our

2662
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:14,400
cell which would be the earth uh and

2663
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:16,480
then they if things get out of control

2664
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:19,440
maybe they kind of help a little bit or

2665
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:21,040
hurt a little bit um

2666
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,480
just like your body will control any of

2667
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:24,960
its cells right right oh that's so

2668
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:27,840
fascinating yeah they're they're kind of

2669
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:29,840
nudging us every now and again and being

2670
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,000
like all right let's get this this chaos

2671
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,320
back a little bit back into control i

2672
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:36,719
love that like when we're glimpsing

2673
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,280
these phenomena we may actually be

2674
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,120
glimpsing the invisible control

2675
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:43,280
mechanism that's always been there and i

2676
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:44,800
mean people like jacques valet have been

2677
01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:46,800
saying that for decades now if you've

2678
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,040
ever looked into the work of uh jacques

2679
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:51,600
valet he thinks that's what these ufos

2680
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:54,080
are they're a control mechanism of some

2681
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:55,760
sort to keep things

2682
01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:59,120
in order but because of our human nature

2683
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:01,280
we see them as the opposite they're

2684
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:02,080
they're

2685
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:08,880
everything we know so

2686
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:10,480
it's it's interesting god that

2687
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:12,000
conversation could go in a million

2688
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,360
different ways

2689
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,440
yeah i mean i

2690
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:17,280
yeah i think it i mean it's obviously

2691
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:19,120
just one hypothesis who knows you know

2692
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:20,560
that's the thing with the you start

2693
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:22,800
thinking about uaps and all of a sudden

2694
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,560
it's like there's so many options i mean

2695
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:28,080
you know like

2696
01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:29,760
which is awesome i mean it's just i

2697
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:31,280
think it just shows us that there's so

2698
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,120
much more we don't know you know we and

2699
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,280
and that's just so obvious you know we

2700
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:37,360
we always think we're at the moment you

2701
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,440
know like we're like living in star trek

2702
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:41,040
you know we are in the future we're in

2703
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:42,560
the future you know like we're on the

2704
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:44,480
bleeding edge yeah leading edge of

2705
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:45,440
science

2706
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:47,760
and just see like you're always on

2707
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:49,600
leading edge of science just so you know

2708
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:51,520
right that's just how time works right

2709
01:29:53,669 --> 01:29:52,880
you're always on the bleeding edge of

2710
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:53,679
science

2711
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,880
you know the romans they were on the

2712
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:56,800
bleeding edge of science you know yeah

2713
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:57,840
and if you look we haven't really

2714
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:00,880
changed that much you know um

2715
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:03,199
yeah sorry the final thought on that was

2716
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:04,320
um

2717
01:30:08,550 --> 01:30:06,639
as an example so like if the police come

2718
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:08,560
to your house right and they come to uh

2719
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:10,400
arrest you and say they're like state

2720
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:11,600
troopers

2721
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:13,920
right um so that would be from the

2722
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:16,480
dimensional state level right so they

2723
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:17,199
are

2724
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:19,679
in effect controlling you in that sense

2725
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:22,239
uh but they appear as people

2726
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:24,080
right but they're not just random people

2727
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:25,360
right they're people in a uniform

2728
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:27,280
they're in a role they've filled that

2729
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:28,239
role

2730
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:29,920
um but they're executing it from the

2731
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:31,600
state you know it's really the state is

2732
01:30:36,550 --> 01:30:33,440
making you go to jail right it's like

2733
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:36,560
state versus you know ryan right

2734
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:39,600
uh so it's not like you're so that that

2735
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:41,440
would be an example of a control

2736
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:43,760
mechanism from a higher dimension in

2737
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:45,199
this case it would be the state you know

2738
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:47,440
new york state is going after ryan for

2739
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:49,120
whatever reasons okay it appears as

2740
01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:51,679
people dressed in police clothes right

2741
01:30:53,750 --> 01:30:52,400
but

2742
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:53,760
you know that's

2743
01:30:58,310 --> 01:30:56,159
that would be the analogy

2744
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:58,320
yeah again hypothesis

2745
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:00,080
uh but if it opens people's mind and

2746
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:02,480
start looking for other um you know

2747
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:04,400
other clues or other ways to gather the

2748
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:07,120
evidence then i i think it's

2749
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:08,320
it's time right they've been they've

2750
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:09,440
been beating their heads against

2751
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:10,880
neutrino

2752
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:14,719
for dark matter yeah i think they can

2753
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:16,960
open their scope yep

2754
01:31:21,189 --> 01:31:18,719
it's time man i'm with you yeah

2755
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:21,199
hopefully 50 100 years down the line

2756
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:22,080
will

2757
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:23,840
are you know

2758
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:26,080
people will look back and be like

2759
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:27,600
why didn't they

2760
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:29,760
like believe in these ufo why did they

2761
01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:30,400
like

2762
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:32,000
make fun of each other for so long

2763
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:33,760
that's my hope at least that we'll get

2764
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:37,040
to that day where it is it becomes

2765
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:38,880
normal and then you go to the next level

2766
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:40,960
on the next level it's it's awesome well

2767
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:43,120
i gotta ask chris wrapping things up man

2768
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:45,520
i've kept you way longer than i told you

2769
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:46,400
um

2770
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:47,920
what do you what are you looking forward

2771
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:52,080
to most in the latter half of 2021

2772
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:55,199
going into 2022 when it comes to ufos

2773
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:56,719
are you going to keep looking into this

2774
01:32:01,430 --> 01:31:59,360
stuff yeah yeah oh yeah yeah i got some

2775
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:01,440
plans man yeah i the most i'll just say

2776
01:32:04,950 --> 01:32:03,760
it now because i already said it on on

2777
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:04,960
andy show

2778
01:32:09,910 --> 01:32:07,920
um was yeah i want to put a satellite up

2779
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:09,920
i want to get a uap hunting satellite

2780
01:32:13,510 --> 01:32:11,440
and fund it by

2781
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:13,520
uh crypto so if you look at my older

2782
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:15,760
videos i did a lot of nft

2783
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:17,920
um so i just see a clear

2784
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:20,480
i just see a clear path to

2785
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:22,639
funding a satellite

2786
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:24,960
uh with flare on it right so we we add

2787
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:26,960
flir optical systems

2788
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:29,760
uh funded crowdfunded right so no

2789
01:32:33,270 --> 01:32:32,080
government money none of that stuff uh

2790
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:33,280
and then

2791
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:34,639
send this thing up there i think it'd be

2792
01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:35,760
super fun

2793
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:37,520
um it'll probably just blow up or

2794
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:38,560
something but even then that'd be

2795
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:40,480
awesome you know i'd be like blew up you

2796
01:32:42,310 --> 01:32:41,600
know

2797
01:32:50,470 --> 01:32:42,320
i

2798
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:50,480
just

2799
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:54,000
you know i'm tired of people like

2800
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:55,280
closing all the information you know you

2801
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:57,360
can't release that you know it's

2802
01:33:00,870 --> 01:32:59,360
yeah it's not an nda you know they can't

2803
01:33:02,950 --> 01:33:00,880
talk about this and i want it just going

2804
01:33:05,110 --> 01:33:02,960
direct to the internet like direct

2805
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:05,120
um like no one can stop it i want to

2806
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,639
hardwire it you know i mean i don't

2807
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:08,880
think you can hardwire it from space um

2808
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:10,320
and so i think it is i think it's

2809
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:12,000
actually going to happen um

2810
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:13,600
i have my cousin israel he randomly

2811
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:15,840
built the mars orbiter so he's pretty

2812
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:18,320
talented and uh yep and so i think we

2813
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:19,920
can do it you just need i think we can

2814
01:33:24,070 --> 01:33:22,159
do it for under a million dollars so

2815
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:24,080
crowdfunding if we can get enough people

2816
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:26,080
to buy these nfts i think the nfts could

2817
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:28,480
actually even go up in value

2818
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:29,760
so

2819
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:31,440
yeah i'm super excited about that right

2820
01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:34,000
and i want to do it as fast as possible

2821
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:36,400
yeah yeah yep exactly

2822
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:38,719
do it now before that's the thing yeah

2823
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:41,120
yeah this permanent dod office starts

2824
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:43,679
controlling all the satellites

2825
01:33:47,590 --> 01:33:45,760
yeah exactly

2826
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:47,600
yeah because you know everyone's it's

2827
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:50,000
same thing right like uh actors you know

2828
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:52,560
if you met someone and they

2829
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:53,760
if you're just at a party or something

2830
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:55,520
and they and they start acting uh it's

2831
01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:57,199
kind of weird right it's like weird or

2832
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:58,880
if you're maybe just a few people and

2833
01:34:04,229 --> 01:34:01,679
someone acts it's weird right but then

2834
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:04,239
if someone's on tv and and then it's

2835
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:05,920
like you're enthralled right i'm drawn

2836
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:08,239
into this character you know like you

2837
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:10,239
said my friends i'm about to start a

2838
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:11,760
podcast right no one gives a [\h__\h] no one

2839
01:34:16,629 --> 01:34:14,159
cares you know i'm i'm writing a book no

2840
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:16,639
one gives a [\h__\h] man no one cares right

2841
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:18,639
but you have a best-seller book all of a

2842
01:34:21,350 --> 01:34:19,600
sudden they're like wow he's got a

2843
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:21,360
bestseller you know put it on foot on

2844
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:22,719
the thing you know so

2845
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:23,520
yeah

2846
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:25,360
just doing stuff i think is the way to

2847
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:27,120
do it just go and do it like you want

2848
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:28,880
more evidence about uaps man like in

2849
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:30,239
your in your

2850
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:32,719
city put together a uap

2851
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,320
you know all like i showed you how just

2852
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:36,719
all we need is like one event with 30

2853
01:34:41,109 --> 01:34:39,520
people filming or or less even you know

2854
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:41,119
it doesn't have to be 30 30 just like

2855
01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:44,000
your magical statistical number yeah

2856
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:45,520
yeah but that'll roll off your butts and

2857
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:48,239
do something i'm so like

2858
01:34:52,070 --> 01:34:49,840
yeah we're sitting here it works it

2859
01:34:54,790 --> 01:34:52,080
works that's one thing but for those who

2860
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:54,800
criticize those trying to proactively

2861
01:34:59,750 --> 01:34:57,360
yeah investigate and

2862
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:59,760
actively research these phenomena like

2863
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:01,600
support them what what what harm can

2864
01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:02,400
come

2865
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:05,119
from avi loeb doing the galileo project

2866
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:06,400
i mean

2867
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:07,920
if it's their own mind everyone gets

2868
01:35:09,910 --> 01:35:09,040
longer

2869
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:09,920
yeah

2870
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,480
exactly man i love that well i'm looking

2871
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:14,960
forward to hearing more about that and

2872
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:17,760
of course last question for you where

2873
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,080
can we find everything you're up to and

2874
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,880
uh yeah what chris leaders got coming up

2875
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,000
with

2876
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:26,880
uh youtube's is my main you know where i

2877
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:29,520
mainly live so just chris lato

2878
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:32,480
uh and then i have a patreon um um so if

2879
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:34,639
they're interested support me on patreon

2880
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:37,280
i i'm pretty active on that i and again

2881
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:39,360
i want to build a

2882
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:42,480
like a real team you know or

2883
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,760
i don't know so

2884
01:35:46,629 --> 01:35:45,280
whatever ridiculously you want to build

2885
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:46,639
a movement or something not a movement i

2886
01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:48,320
just want to get get stuff done i want

2887
01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:49,600
to get [\h__\h] done and i want to put a

2888
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:51,040
satellite into space that's looking for

2889
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:52,560
uaps and i want to put

2890
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:54,719
satellites not maybe not satellites but

2891
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:57,840
skyhub systems in hotspot areas put them

2892
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:00,000
in locations of cities

2893
01:36:01,510 --> 01:36:00,290
um

2894
01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:01,520
[Music]

2895
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:03,199
yeah i mean just get our own evidence we

2896
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:05,199
don't we can just we can keep being mad

2897
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:06,960
at the government for lying to us for 70

2898
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:09,040
years oh this time they'll come around

2899
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:11,199
you know like right past performance is

2900
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:14,480
no indication of future results uh

2901
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:16,159
yeah i just i want to get

2902
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:18,080
my own i think it'd be super fun i've

2903
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:19,679
always wanted to you know send something

2904
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:21,520
into space like why not get the whole

2905
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:24,560
uap community focused on it and you know

2906
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:26,000
someone else do it i show them how to do

2907
01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:27,440
it and then other people do it i don't

2908
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:28,639
care like

2909
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:31,119
yep but it's the ripple effect man i

2910
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:32,159
love that

2911
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:34,560
awesome chris well hey man again

2912
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:36,560
we've been very gracious with your time

2913
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,280
we covered so much i know there's more

2914
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:41,280
listener questions and stuff we didn't

2915
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:43,600
get to so i'd love to have you on again

2916
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:44,880
but um

2917
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:46,880
i gotta thank you for all you're doing

2918
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:49,600
again just upping the legitimacy of this

2919
01:36:53,350 --> 01:36:51,840
topic where it needs to be i think and

2920
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,360
uh i gotta thank you for coming on

2921
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:55,360
somewhere in the skies today awesome no

2922
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:57,280
thanks ryan great to meet you man and uh

2923
01:37:01,430 --> 01:36:59,600
yeah i'll come on again just uh just

2924
01:37:07,460 --> 01:37:01,440
when i have the time so no worries